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  so they never claimed to be an inspired prophet?

  by ninja in

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  *** si p. 9 all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial ***.

  line of communication.

  16 someone may ask, what has been the means of communication?

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  bob1999

  "Isn't this material specifically referring to the Bible canon?"

  Yes it is. I just read it from the CD.

  It goes on to say "28 That which has been recorded and preserved as the Holy Scriptures is not to be tampered with. "

  I guess the WTS does not consider attributing to God their idea (that "the generation" is the generation of 1914) as tampering.

  BTW I do.

  This statement, that has appeared in WTS publications many times, makes the WTS and all who follow the WTS, false prophets.

  "Jehovah’s prophetic word through Christ Jesus is:

  This generation [of 1914] will by no means pass away until all things occur.”

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  The "Generation" from 1897 to 2008

  by Ultimate Reality in

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  startfragment.

  for what's is worth (since this topic comes up frequently) here are, in simple terms, the primary teachings the society has used to define the "generation".

  1897 a group of contemporary people.

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  bob1999

  I think even the WTS says "current truth" or sometimes "current understanding" in it's literature.

  From my point of view, that's too funny.

  Hebrews 13:8 "Jesus, the Messiah, is the same yesterday and today-and forever! Stop being carried away by all kinds of unusual teachings...."

  If Jesus is the same, why wouldn't truth be the same?

  It seems to me that the WTS takes the simplest, easiest thing to understand (from scripture) and makes it hard to understand.

  That sounds like an " unusual teaching", to me.

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  The "Generation" from 1897 to 2008

  by Ultimate Reality in

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  startfragment.

  for what's is worth (since this topic comes up frequently) here are, in simple terms, the primary teachings the society has used to define the "generation".

  1897 a group of contemporary people.

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  bob1999

  WT 12/15/2003 page 15

  "6 In Noah’s day, Jehovah declared: “My spirit shall not act toward man indefinitely in that he is also flesh. Accordingly his days shall amount to a hundred and twenty years.” (Genesis 6:3) The issuance of this divine decree in 2490 B.C.E. marked the beginning of the end for that ungodly world. Just think what that meant for those then living! Only 120 years more and Jehovah would bring “the deluge of waters upon the earth to bring to ruin all flesh in which the force of life is active from under the heavens.”—Genesis 6:17.
  
  7 Noah received the warning of the upcoming catastrophe decades in advance, and he wisely used the time to prepare for survival. “After being given divine warning of things not yet beheld,” says the apostle Paul, “[Noah] showed godly fear and constructed an ark for the saving of his household.” (Hebrews 11:7) What about us? Some 90 years have passed since the last days of this system of things began in 1914. We are certainly in “the time of the end.” (Daniel 12:4) How should we respond to warnings we have been given? “He that does the will of God remains forever,” states the Bible. (1 John 2:17) Now is therefore the time to do Jehovah’s will with a keen sense of urgency."

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  The "Generation" from 1897 to 2008

  by Ultimate Reality in

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  startfragment.

  for what's is worth (since this topic comes up frequently) here are, in simple terms, the primary teachings the society has used to define the "generation".

  1897 a group of contemporary people.

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  bob1999

  "WT January 15, 2014 Study article (somewhere buried in the middle of the article)"

  Jam 15, 2014?

  Didn't the WTS say something about 2034 at some point?

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  by VM44 in

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  i just ordered this book after hearing the author speak a few nights ago on the coast to coast radio program.. jesus, interrupted: revealing the hidden contradictions in the bible (and why we don't know about them) (hardcover)http://www.amazon.com/jesus-interrupted-revealing-hidden-contradictions/dp/0061173932/.

  review.

  "ehrman's ability to translate scholarship for a popular audience has made the james a. gray distinguished professor and chair of the department of religious studies at the university of north carolina at chapel hill a superstar in the publishing world" (indyweek ).

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  bob1999

  "It has nothing to do with a trivial name change of Saul-Paul "

  I never said it did.

  "Saul-Paul had hallucinations and claimed to have heard voices and seen apparitions.

  He never actually met Jesus during his 'ministry' when he was alive, nor did he actually hear Jesus speak in audible reality."

  If you don't believe the bible, that's up to you but biblicaly speaking Paul DID meet and speak to Jesus when he was alive.

  Maybe you don't believe in the resurrection.

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  untitled

  by VM44 in

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  i just ordered this book after hearing the author speak a few nights ago on the coast to coast radio program.. jesus, interrupted: revealing the hidden contradictions in the bible (and why we don't know about them) (hardcover)http://www.amazon.com/jesus-interrupted-revealing-hidden-contradictions/dp/0061173932/.

  review.

  "ehrman's ability to translate scholarship for a popular audience has made the james a. gray distinguished professor and chair of the department of religious studies at the university of north carolina at chapel hill a superstar in the publishing world" (indyweek ).

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  bob1999

  "Paul wrote half of the NT and he never even met Jesus nor heard him speak"

  This is the second time I read you saying this. But it's just not true. Why do you keep saying this?

  Paul (then Saul) meet Jesus on the road to Damascus.

  Acts 9

  As Saul traveled along and was approaching Damascus, a light from heaven suddenly flashed around him. He dropped to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, "Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me?" He asked, "Who are you, Lord?" The voice said, "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting.

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  Is Memorial the same as a Toast?

  by cameo-d in

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  what is the difference between observing memorial and toasting?.

  isn't "toasting" the act of raising a glass in acknowledgement of agreement?.

  isn't toasting forbidden in jw land?.

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  bob1999

  " Paul never even met Jesus"

  I think the bible teaches otherwise.

  Acts 9:3-5

  As Saul traveled along and was approaching Damascus, a light from heaven suddenly flashed around him. He dropped to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, "Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me?" He asked, "Who are you, Lord?" The voice said, "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting.

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  "And I have other sheep not of this fold..." PRESENT TENSE!!...i have questions

  by oompa in

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  did wt really believe that everyone prior to jesus death is resting and awaiting only a earthly hope?

  and then when jesus died, everyone following him only had a heavenly hope until 1934-35....and then nearly all only had an earthly hope again?

  of course recently they did open up heaven again, so now there are both "callings" taking place, both heaven and earth on sale at the same time......sooooo.

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  bob1999

  "The other sheep are the Gentiles, a few years later (Eph Ch 3)"

  It's Eph Ch 2 and I agree. Romans Ch 11 is talking about the Jews that don't accept Christ and how they are broken off and "a wild olive shoot" is grafted on in their place.

  In John 10:16 Christ is talking to unbelieving Jews. The Jews, as a nation, were always God's sheep. His chosen people. But the individual Jews Jesus was talking to were not sheep at all as they were unbelievers.

  Clearly the other sheep Jesus was talking about were the Gentiles. The interesting thing about this verse; He called them sheep. Jesus didn't say I have, or there are other goats that I will make into sheep.

  This had to be years before Paul started his work, years before the Good News was given to the Gentiles. But they were already Christ's sheep.

  Where am I going with this? Romans 8:28 through 9:26 "........And those whom he predestined, he also called; and those whom he called, he also justified; and those whom he justified he also glorified....."

  One really needs to read and study the whole section. The point is, of course Jesus knew those of the Gentiles that were His sheep. He knows all His sheep.

  Ephesians 1:4-6

  "just as he chose us in the Messiah before the creation of the universe to be holy and blameless in his presence. In love he predestined us for adoption to himself through Jesus the Messiah, according to the pleasure of his will, so that we would praise his glorious grace that he gave us in the Beloved One."

  BTW the "remnant" that will be saved are the scant few Jews that will be saved in spite of the fact that Israel, as a nation, rejected Christ.

  Paul quotes Isaiah in the next verse (Romans 9:27) "THOUGH THE NUMBER OF THE SONS OF ISRAEL BE LIKE THE SAND OF THE SEA, IT IS THE REMNANT THAT WILL BE SAVED; "

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  Did Jehovahs have to Destroy Jesus?

  by VM44 in

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  i posted this in another thread, but i believe that the question is very important and deserves discussion in its own thread.. ****.

  here is a question i have never seen asked, let alone answered.. it is claimed that jesus died and then god (three days later) resurrected him in a new spiritual body (according to the watchtower).. what about jesus before he came to earth?.

  i would appear that god would have to destroy jesus, in effect killing him, beforing transferring the memories to an earthly body.. otherwise there would be two beings each calling themself "jesus", one in heaven, and the other on earth.. the above is not speculation, it follows directly from what the watchtower teaches.. .

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  bob1999

  Watchtower 1984 12/15 page 26

  "For many years Jehovah’s Witnesses have taught that Michael is a heavenly name for the only-begotten Son of God, who was named Jesus while on earth."

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  Why is Jesus kept side stage ?

  by iknowall558 in

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  john 5 :39 ' 40 "you study the scriptures, because you think that in them you will find eternal life.

  and these very scriptures speak about me!

  yet you are not willing to come to me in order to have life.

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  bob1999

  "Anyone else feel as hot headed about this as I do ?"

  Yes.

  To be saved, according to the bible, one needs to be "in Christ". The bible says there is no other way.

  But the WTS teaches that only the 144,000 are in Christ.

  The only conclusion I can draw is that those of the "other sheep" are not saved, according to the bible.

  How can they be saved if they themselves state that they are not "in Christ"?

  How can they be saved if they went the the KH last night and did not partake?

  "Jesus then said to them, I am telling you the truth : if you do not eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you will not have life in yourselves."

  There are many teachings of the WTS that are not biblical, this is just one of them. Maybe the worst one.

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