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  Articles about "taking your brother to court"

  by Jez in

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  what articles or scriptures do jw use to support their belief that they should not take a brother to court?.

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  Thank you to all
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  Some definitions please...

  by SammyDies in

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  i am not a jw, but trying to just understand them as i have a new friend who is a jw.

  i apologise up front if i offend anybody through my ignorance.. firstly could someone explain "disfellowshipped".

  i read through some sites (particularly those by ex-jw's) who described being disfellowshipped as a horrible experience that is thrust upon them sometimes through no fault of thier own, or vindictiveness of certain eldars and church memebers, or for doing something wrong.

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  My story is on www.freeminds.org under the women's section entitled, "Pretending". Read that, and then read my thread about 'reinstatement'. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/7/100714/1.ashx

  I hope it helps you understand disfellowshipping and reinstatement.

  Also, an apostate is anyone that publically questions or disagrees the authority of the watchtower and bible tract society or JW doctrines. It is also someone that once was a baptized JW, but for whatever reason, leaves because they chose to not be one anymore. They have to do it quietly and not talk to others about why they left as it could fall under the category of questioning or disagreeing anything to do with the religion, and the dreaded 'disfellowshipping' could happen, where you are fanatically shunned by family and "friends". You are as if dead.

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  Articles about "taking your brother to court"

  by Jez in

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  what articles or scriptures do jw use to support their belief that they should not take a brother to court?.

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  What articles or scriptures do JW use to support their belief that they should not take a brother to court?

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  What does it mean to Love your neighbor as your self?

  by jst2laws in

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  as one can tell by my screen name i am focused on love as a key ingredient of existence.

  i was a jw elder when i first came here and worn out from wt rules and had become acutely focused on the 'two laws'.

  matthew 22:39 is one of a few places that the 'two laws' are recorded where we are told to love god with our whole heart, soul and mind and to love your neighbor as yourself.

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  IF I did love my neighbor as myself,,,,,lets just say, they would be one VERY happy neighbor.

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  What do you _really_ think?

  by daystar in

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  quite often we maintain a polite silence about others when we'd really like to tell them to shut the hell up, that they're pompous, or ignorant, or simply a pain in the ass.

  "god, i can't stand reading any of his posts.

  or, perhaps we really would like to say something really nice about someone, perhaps even a bit personal.

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  Get off me dog.

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  What does it mean to Love your neighbor as your self?

  by jst2laws in

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  as one can tell by my screen name i am focused on love as a key ingredient of existence.

  i was a jw elder when i first came here and worn out from wt rules and had become acutely focused on the 'two laws'.

  matthew 22:39 is one of a few places that the 'two laws' are recorded where we are told to love god with our whole heart, soul and mind and to love your neighbor as yourself.

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  I was going to say something perverted....

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  What do you _really_ think?

  by daystar in

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  quite often we maintain a polite silence about others when we'd really like to tell them to shut the hell up, that they're pompous, or ignorant, or simply a pain in the ass.

  "god, i can't stand reading any of his posts.

  or, perhaps we really would like to say something really nice about someone, perhaps even a bit personal.

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  The skimpy outfit is in the closet, waiting for an excuse to go out. I'll inform it tonight, that it at least got an offer.

  Great talking with you. Jez
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  What do you _really_ think?

  by daystar in

  1. jw
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  quite often we maintain a polite silence about others when we'd really like to tell them to shut the hell up, that they're pompous, or ignorant, or simply a pain in the ass.

  "god, i can't stand reading any of his posts.

  or, perhaps we really would like to say something really nice about someone, perhaps even a bit personal.

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  Like you Jez it makes my spleen itch to see threads attempting to evoke sympathy from people that are only known to them by posts in a discussion forum. It makes me want to yell "Get a freaking life".

  Hmmm, I don’t care if people do it, just be aware of what you are doing and why. See, you hide your true feelings about this thread from Daystar, I only told him what he asked to hear (see his recent response above). I would not jump into a "tell me why I am great or you are great or we are great or who is so wonderful that I want to meet them" thread and be this honest. I only did it because that is what he challenged us to do. I can’t resist a challenge or a risk. True.

  I doubted that the above mentioned motive was his intent.

  See his reply above again.

  Perhaps this is my JW programming and diplomatic upbringing speaking but what is wrong with phrasing your words in a manner that evokes thought and not irritation from your listening audience?

  BINGO! "Don’t stumble others" "Be careful what you say." "Season our sayings with salt" "Find a common ground with the householder" "Don’t disagree, redirect" There was always a way around any conversation stopper, masters at saying the right thing, at the right time. Starting with "baby food" and moving people onto more "solid food" as they became ready. Remember to try not to size someone up on the first ‘visit’, shoe-boxing people is what JWs do best. You think you know me already??? You don’t. I don't aim to please everyone, all the time. Sometimes I feel like I was taught everything backasswards. I have had to reevaluate every single friggin belief, assumption, value, etc that I ever had because most of them were tainted, skewed, unreal, based on a very narrow view of the world or not really mine. I am still doing that and may never be 'done'.

  If the motive is to readjust and you've just expended your time for that cause, is your intent not lost by the persons disregard of what you've said by not taking their situationally imposed fragility into consideration?

  My intent was not lost, it was not for all to get. I don't assume that all people will 'get' my intent. That would be presumptuous of me. It was for Daystar, and he was/is strong enough to take it because he overtly ASKED for it. Again, please don’t assume that I am looking for any place in inject myself. I try to be careful and considerate, most of the time.

  I simply take personal(my own issue) acception with the way you say things.

  And so don’t you think that your intent (to make me look at myself and my chosen words) is lost as soon as you started in on your little stick up the ass comment? Talk to the preacher. "Out of the Gospel he tho wordes caughte, And this figure he added eek therto: That if gold ruste, what shal iren do?" "He taughte, but first he folwed it himselve." (Chaucer-The Canterbury Tales)

  Don’t knock on my door until you knock on your own.

  Oh, and as for saying that I seem like an intelligent person, why thank you for that unsolicited compliment. I will return it: You seem like the kind of guy I could sit down with and debate life, people, etc with for hours and actually enjoy it.

  Jez
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  What do you _really_ think?

  by daystar in

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  quite often we maintain a polite silence about others when we'd really like to tell them to shut the hell up, that they're pompous, or ignorant, or simply a pain in the ass.

  "god, i can't stand reading any of his posts.

  or, perhaps we really would like to say something really nice about someone, perhaps even a bit personal.

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  Daystar: The more you write, the more I like ya...lol Sometimes, I really like humans. Your ability to surpress defensiveness is rare.

  Cheers Jez
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  I need help refuting a very common and stupid jw argument

  by Check_Your_Premises in

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  "if you participate in activity x it will leave less time for spiritual activities"

  this i think is a false "or" type of fallacy.

  as if our choices are a matter of choosing between non-spiritual or spiritual activities exclusively.

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  "Why would god give you talents if he didn't want you to use them? Maybe getting an education will allow you to interact with and encounter people who you wouldn't have otherwise."

  Great above comment!

  I would add that you could mention or study about biblical characters that had an education, God saw fit to use them! Even Jesus was taught a trade.

  David	Shepherd	:-)
  Luke	Physician	:-)
  Paul	Tent Maker	:-)
  Matthew	Tax Collector	:-)
  Peter	Fisherman	:-)
  Herod	King	:-)
  Joseph (in New Testament)	Carpenter	:-)
  Caiaphas	High Priest	:-)
  Lydia	Sold Purple	:-)
  Ethiopian Eunuch	Queen's Treasurer

  http://newgeorgiachurch.com/occupations.htm