Posts by Jez

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My friends's son is being held from her within the borg

by Jez in

i am posting this for my friend.

she left her husband and the organization, is not df'ed, yet.

she was extremely close to her son, now 13, up until she left.

Jez

I am posting this for my friend. She left her husband and the organization, is not df'ed, yet. She was extremely close to her son, now 13, up until she left. Her husband, her mother, her in laws are all JW's and have told him that she is of the devil now, she doesn't love him, she has left Jehovah and therefore him, she is bad association, she hates his religion, etc.

She is dying inside bec they will not allow her to contact or see him and have turned him agaisnt her to the point where he now says that he does not have a mother.

Only in JW's culture can this happen, any advice from those of you experienced that I can pass on?

Thank you Jez

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QUIET signs at assemblies

by Jez in

lol...this one kills me.

again this year brothers had to walk the halls carrying signs that said "quiet please" everyone just ignores these poor embarrassed brothers.

the assemblay is going on and yet the halls are full of ppl walking, visiting, cruisin'.

Jez

I use to breast feed my kids IN my seat to provide some distraction and to alleviate boredom. One time a MS assigned to our area, asked me to leave...I said "Force me."

LOL....Jez

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QUIET signs at assemblies

by Jez in

lol...this one kills me.

again this year brothers had to walk the halls carrying signs that said "quiet please" everyone just ignores these poor embarrassed brothers.

the assemblay is going on and yet the halls are full of ppl walking, visiting, cruisin'.

Jez

I remember when I had babies that we were not allowed to have strollers at the conventions! It was torture carrying around a crying baby all day. But I notice that many mothers now just ignore that rule and bring them anyways.

Another thing about assemblays that caused me such stress, was seat obtaining. It was horrible bec if you didn't show up at least 1 hour early, NO SEATS, or all SAVED ones. It was a dreaded dreaded thing.

Jez

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QUIET signs at assemblies

by Jez in

lol...this one kills me.

again this year brothers had to walk the halls carrying signs that said "quiet please" everyone just ignores these poor embarrassed brothers.

the assemblay is going on and yet the halls are full of ppl walking, visiting, cruisin'.

Jez

This past summer was my first summer not attending a convention. It was GREAT, but my sisterinlaw told me all about it and the QUIET signs. They could only afford to go for 2 days, they have a bunch of kids, so with hotel, food, and gas she said they blew about $500. I felt sorry for them bec they have no money as it is. If it is such a loving organization, then why not provide a video of the assemblay for families that can not afford to go?

Jez

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QUIET signs at assemblies

by Jez in

lol...this one kills me.

again this year brothers had to walk the halls carrying signs that said "quiet please" everyone just ignores these poor embarrassed brothers.

the assemblay is going on and yet the halls are full of ppl walking, visiting, cruisin'.

Jez

LOL...this one kills me. AGAIN this year brothers had to walk the halls carrying signs that said "QUIET PLEASE" Everyone just ignores these poor embarrassed brothers. The assemblay is going on and yet the halls are full of ppl walking, visiting, cruisin'.

WAKE up BORG!!! PPL are BORED and sick of being expected to sit for hours and listen to the same old crap over and over and over just with different speakers using a varient of the words. Lets get some crowd waves going every hour, some free prizes thrown into the audience, a indoor blimp dropping free food, coffee being sold up and down the stairs.....the borg must be the least creative organization on the planet.

Jez

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Do JWs believe all wordly people die at armageddon?

by XQsThaiPoes in

i was wondering a few things.

i am trying to avoid the complexe question fallacy so excuse me if this is worded strangely instead of just saying "do jws believe all wordly people die at armageddon?"..

1) did the watchtower change its teaching on the great tribulation and armageddon enought for you to call it a major change?.

Jez

I'll never forget how surprized I was about 8 years ago to read in a WT (amazing how they slip in one liners or paragraphs in the WT that contain doctrinal adjusting, barely noticeable..sly bastards) that we do not know how much merit Jehovah will place on community service and living a good life. I remember feeling relieved bec I had been taught that any nonJW would be destroyed, but I did not give it too much thought bec "we don't need to worry about those kinds of things."

I also remember some "new light" on the sheep and the goats. How we are not to call ppl goats anymore because we are not the judges of them, Jesus is, and we can't see into their hearts like he can. No more 'pre-judging.'

It is like the organization can't even bring themselves to overtly state what they REALLY teach because to do so would be so horrible and revealing, so they skirt around EVERY SINGLE issue. You will never get a straight answer about anything from them.

Jez

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Dating a JW when you are not

by jwgirlfriend in

i am dating a man who is a jw and i am not.

i attend a nondenominational church.

i found out from a mutual friend of ours, two months after my boyfriend and i had met, that he was a jw.

Jez

Remember that they will always hear preached to them that if they (the believer) act properly and set a good example they may 'win over' their unbelieving mate. You will always be referred to at the meetings in a negative light bec you poor thing, you are not 'one of them.' And he will get sympathy because he is married to a worldly person. You will never ever ever ever be as good as them, and therefore him because when push comes to shove, HE will live through armageddon and YOU will die. You will be surrounded by this negativity and 'hope' that you will eventually see the light and start to study and convert for your entire life with a JW as a mate.

Is love really worth it? Not for me. Love is multilayered, what are the layers made up of? JW and Worldly in my experience and opinion is like oil and water, they don't mix and if it does, it is because someone is working really hard and swallowing alot of self pride, respect and continually compromising what they truly value and believe to hold on.

Up to you and best wishes....Jez

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Child programs-JW verses Churches

by Jez in

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i know that not all churches are like this, but the one that my little one goes to with her friend is amazing for their children's programs.

the program is amazing, loving, and child oriented to teach their young members.

i never knew that all they teach is that god loves them and wants them to make good decisions.

Jez

I know that not all churches are like this, but the one that my little one goes to with her friend is AMAZING for their children's programs. The program is amazing, loving, and child oriented to teach their young members. I never knew that all they teach is that God loves them and wants them to make good decisions. It never crossed my mind to give them prizes for attendence, picnics every Sunday, rewards for remembering bible passages. There is no fear, only a high respect for God that is taught via coloring, games, skits, activities, building things, open discussions, pulling bible names out of a hat and discussing why that person is a good example or bad example....etc.

WHY don't JW do all of this for our children? I have thought alot about it. They say that they are doing it bec in bible times, the children were always with their parents during worship and that it is the parents decision to rear them, not shirk this responsibility to others. What a lame excuse. So because Jesus gave sermons on mounts, does that mean that example should be followed and we should have no indoor KHs??? Same line of silly reasoning..

They don't do it, because they want children to be BRAINWASHED not TAUGHT. My husband was shocked to realize at a meeting once that children were commenting about death, dying and armageddon at the KH. They don't even fully understand the implications of what they are being told to say, yet they are reciting adult words and concepts. How demented! He was shocked to realize that children were being subtly influenced by words such as death, worldly, them and us, armageddon, destruction, destroy, etc. They sit and listen and listen and listen to this 3x a week for years. They are taught at a young impressionable age to not question, to be quiet, to answer what is written out in front of you, to follow everyone else and do what they are doing, don't be different and accept or get slapped for 'making noise'. Think about what this symbolically means!

Our poor children are turned into pychologically damaged adults, no wonder most of us are in counselling. I really feel sick about the dark dooming quietly threatening cloud that is placed over our children's head.

GLAD I am out and my children too. I need to do alot of retraining, not just me but for them as well.

Jez

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I am attending an assembly.

by jwbot in

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the circuit assembly is coming up in september.

there are several reasons i am going:it is at the maine center for the arts, at my college.

i really like this place, it would be interesting..my mother told me that i would not be shunned ("what would be the point on going?

Jez

I attended meetings and assemblies off and on for about two years, (still contemplate it sometimes) AND my worldly husband came to all of them with me. He found it interesting, (although he HATED sitting for 2 hours and slouched sooooo long, it was funny, he is 6'4 and found it torture at the KH, why ARE those chairs so painful?) as in how the hell can ppl believe all this vs wanting to join. Our discussions were interesting and crystal clear at home because we could talk about issues/questions as they came up. He was the 'innocent, untainted, unbrainwashed' point of view that I needed to hear from. He had never heard the crap before and found nothing appealing about it. He really helped me see things from a different perspective.

I was not afraid to walk into that KH or any convention because I am PROUD of what I am and the path that I choose, ME, not them. I look at them and feel pity that things have been chosen, decisions made FOR them. I walk in knowing that I am proof that a human can live without the society and be happy. I go in with my husband hugging me, we hold hands the whole meeting or his arm is around me. Oh, do I love the looks on ppl's faces when they turn around. It is a frickin game and so play it. It can be fun.

Family: Only my brother totally ignores me. 2 are df'ed or da and the one JW brother I have loves me and associates with me FULLY. See, that is the point. FULL association, PARTIAL, SOME...a little. What are YOU willing to settle for? My mother would talk to me on the phone, visit me once in a while if I instigated it, but I am not a puppy that needs its tummy scratched every so often. It is all or nothing and that is MY decision. Take who I am now, or don't take me at all because I am done with pretending.

Good luck, go explore, play, learn. Jez

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So When and Why Did They Stop Feeding People At Assemblies?

by Englishman in

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it seems nuts to me.

the feeding of umpteen thousand using voliunteers was their "in" with all the local press.

i know that cafeterias were still in use in '72 when i left.

Jez

Yes, unions concessions demanded the right to sell food to JW's at the assemblies in Vancouver BC as no other group coming to the arenas had the right to 'not allow' concessions to open.

What did the society do this summer? Cancelled all assemblies in Vancouver and moved them to Kamloops. Kamloops was the hot BC spot for assemblies bec the arena they use (Riverside) bowed to the society's wishes. Imagine living in BC's largest city, Vancouver, and having to drive 5 hours to Kamloops, get a hotel etc for the assembly???? Bet there were alot of stay at homers this year.

WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL about concessions anyways????? Gawd!!!! Nit-picky tiny insignificant mindless battles that the society loves to engage in, why? C O N T R O L

Jez