So what are these carts? Mobile desks for street witnessing?
Posts by Qcmbr
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40New magazine Carts
by jonno12225 innews from my wife from the recent meeting is that our congregation will be recieving 2 new magazine carts for market witnessing.
we live in a small market town in north yorkshire and have regular street markets.. the congregation is small (75+ publishers, -1 now) so it seems that this is being rolled out pretty conprehensivly now to all congs.
i still have no info as to whether each congregation has to purchase these from the hq or costings per unit..
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Thankyou dad, for making me think...
by Aussie Oz inson was up visiting today and we had some great little chats about all things watchtower.
i would say the chances of him going back are real slim now, for he was telling me of some of his own wtf research on the internet about them.. anyway, at one point he came up, gave me a big hug and said "thankyou for making me think".
it seems that all the little seed dropping and question dropping over the last 3 years really did work!
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Well done. You have done a great job with him. As parents one of the greatest things we can give our children is the ability to question and the intellectual honesty of reasoned doubt. This is a story I hope my children will replicate one day too. You sir are an inspiration.
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Please worship our god or he will kill you!
by snare&racket inwhy were we so suprised people did not join in droves!
what an awful message we shared......
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Was talking to my wife about members of our church and how they were lovely people in general but in behaviour , beyond Mormon / xian rituals, they were no different than regular people in this part of the UK. In our active congregation of 100-150 we had ( that I knew about):
1/ 4 divorces
2/ 1 affair plus one attempted affair.
3/ 3 dishonest businessmen
4/ 1 abused by member, 5 abused by non member relatives
5/ 2 people with anger management issues
6/ Over 50% guys had admitted to viewing porn
7/ 3 verbally and 1 physically abusive husbands
8/ 1 suspected paedophile ( no actual evidence of harm )
9/ Several underage sexual liaisons that were reported
10/ 4 secret smokers
11/ 3 verbally nasty employers
12/ 3 secretly unhappy with marriage wives
13/ 2 closet gays ( one since out and out of church)
In short, the congregation was no purer than regular people outside.
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Your God asks for too much
by Qcmbr ini was wondering (again) about what i got out of my deal with mormon god.
the more i thought about it the more i realised that the xian god asks way too much and offers too little.. what does xg demand:.
1 - obedience to changeable often arbitrary commandments normally with little clarification of when and when not to apply them.
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So Christ is the expensive life coach you can do without if you have sufficient willpower? Great, consider his account closed. He can clean up his animal sacrifices and his own suicidal action on the way out !
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Your God asks for too much
by Qcmbr ini was wondering (again) about what i got out of my deal with mormon god.
the more i thought about it the more i realised that the xian god asks way too much and offers too little.. what does xg demand:.
1 - obedience to changeable often arbitrary commandments normally with little clarification of when and when not to apply them.
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Tec - the commandments are nothing to do with love , especially the ten commandments, they are a copy of the Egyptian commandments picked up by the Semitic ancestors of the Israelite nation. Look up the atheist ten commandments and see a much better list.
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Your God asks for too much
by Qcmbr ini was wondering (again) about what i got out of my deal with mormon god.
the more i thought about it the more i realised that the xian god asks way too much and offers too little.. what does xg demand:.
1 - obedience to changeable often arbitrary commandments normally with little clarification of when and when not to apply them.
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Tec - you still try and enforce your view that even an atheist with love was incapable of achieving that without Christ breaking in and graffiti style scrawling on their heart. I can assure you that Christ does not come anywhere near my psyche these days except as an object of myth who has been firmly booted out. The very concept of Christ leaves a nasty taste in my mouth. Yet still I love, experience awe, cry at moving things, ache for the underprivileged and helpless, joy in the company of friends and family ; all things that once erroneously, I thought manifestations of gods character manifest through my life.
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Your God asks for too much
by Qcmbr ini was wondering (again) about what i got out of my deal with mormon god.
the more i thought about it the more i realised that the xian god asks way too much and offers too little.. what does xg demand:.
1 - obedience to changeable often arbitrary commandments normally with little clarification of when and when not to apply them.
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CJ - there is nothing new under the sun and a sucker is born every minute. Maybe no change in a couple of years but maybe we will in 5 years.
These discussions and debates are quite strong here and elsewhere on the net because with anonymity and global trade in ideas mankind has finally got the chance to overcome religion and faith. The rising generation will look back on this war and wonder why anyone would fall for dusty old myths. Just like smoking we have the tools and means to understand why it is harmful and so we can start to alter our behaviour away from it. We are in the middle of a seismic social change away from myth based worldviews to science based ones. This very moment will be talked of in social text books and history lessons just as the Renaissance is. IMO.
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Please worship our god or he will kill you!
by snare&racket inwhy were we so suprised people did not join in droves!
what an awful message we shared......
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For a long time belief in god has allowed the religious to create categories that do not exist in reality. Those who think a divine being is the source of love are able to downgrade those without such a belief as incapable of true love, true knowledge, true morality or some other such absolute.
What faith allows is the ability to role play. Faith makes up an imaginary world of goodies and baddies, blessings and curses, heavens and hells, vast cosmic battles, secret knowledge, incantations, magic rituals, telepathy, hope and all encompassing eternal story arcs. Faith is Harry Potter for the pious, a pretend hidden world under the surface of reality where believers secretly ache for the day they can reveal their true magic powers and move these muggles off their divine territory.
Faith in a god has a fundamental aim of power, it was born from human prehistory when war was fought with spear and shaman and victory was a divine sign. The whole xian concept of a war in heaven, eternal punishment for those who do not submit to god, glorious rewards for those who prove themselves worthy is all a power game. No one would be a xian if they were not motivated by the reward or the punishment. No eternal punishment, no righteous reward, no belief. That they feel their secret world game makes them better ( blessed / whole / healed / cleansed / forgiven) than those who can't play(sinners), refuse to play ( atheists) or make fun of them for playing (mockers) reveals the true nature of what faith is about. Love? Of course not its ALL about convincing oneself that they are better after all they shall 'inherit the earth.'
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Your God asks for too much
by Qcmbr ini was wondering (again) about what i got out of my deal with mormon god.
the more i thought about it the more i realised that the xian god asks way too much and offers too little.. what does xg demand:.
1 - obedience to changeable often arbitrary commandments normally with little clarification of when and when not to apply them.
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Now this is what I 'worship'; magnificent human endeavour, style, imagination , creation , art, sport and youthful craziness with the enablement of science , modern media and humour. Mankind is greater than any god, no contest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45YyPTgCtJs&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Your God asks for too much
by Qcmbr ini was wondering (again) about what i got out of my deal with mormon god.
the more i thought about it the more i realised that the xian god asks way too much and offers too little.. what does xg demand:.
1 - obedience to changeable often arbitrary commandments normally with little clarification of when and when not to apply them.
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Tec- the only thing of substance I ever seem to hear from you is that love is the only trait of your god. You claim the ten commandments but dismiss them in the next sentence with a wave of the magic love wand. You even reject foundational biblical rules as merely misundstandings ( circumcision was a misunderstanding by a prophet who supposedly had one to one chats with god - oh come on Tec you must have some more logical and sound foundation than that ) and that this super loving god was so gallopingly obscure and incapable of regular clear communication that an entire nation blithely hacked of foreskins in acts of loving devotion to this god. You arrogantly write off the experience and downgrade the devotional love of ALL religious people while sitting in your warm , safe house devoid of any immediate great needs beyond which biscuit to eat next and what revelation on the consequences of accidental death by fire to have and this qualifies you to say you have "LOVE" and everyone else merely had religion. Your reasoning describes no god who deserves worship, who prescribes no means, guides, commandments , standards or medium by which to aim for self improvement that is superior to existing human guidelines ( and is less justified and much more philosophically immature) and seems such a confusing hodge pudge of thought that it looks as though you make up answers on the spot. A god who relies on a mantra - x is not my god, x is a misunderstanding, my god is <love|tree|light|truth|magic rainbow farts> - but has nothing to back that up is a feeble god with no power.
I appreciate the responses , thought this thread had died.
Returning to the bible Jesus I think there are further accusations of setting the bar too high for far too little reward.
1 - by what right does a god of love set up a mortal test , stack the odds against all the players, ( the vast majority never even get the rules explained to them if we take the bible as the game rules) , specifies those rules in a foreign language edition such that by the time it's been translated ( a job handed over to an era of myth and believing, knowledge lite, bunch of pious fraudsters incapable of fact checking the premises) it has an unending set of possible interpretations and no clear explanation of what authority is to be used to arbitrate between them?
2 - by what right does a god of love damn mankind, deny them access to their home unless they bow the knee and worship, instil a dictatorial leader whom we have no choice over whose recorded views on slavery, women's rights, cursing, economics, food laws, medical science, physics, ways to learn and social relations are at best ineffective and at worst disgusting and vile?
3 - what god would construct life as no more than a test , this brief mortality is no more than that, then an eternity of experiencing the consequences of a mortal life lived mainly by the dictates of self preservation, inborn genetic traits and nurture over which little control is available? To even suggest that such a place as hell exists , specifically crafted and designed, as an eternal, unending punishment is so horrific a concept that it makes Hitler look like a slightly mischievous kid.
Why oh why do people even want this being or spend even a moment contemplating worship and slavery to this concept? What a terrible drag on society and a mental chain on individuals minds this idea was, is and will continue to be unless skepticism and atheism continue the rout of myth and magic in the rising generation.