here are some postcard messages that i'm sending to freinds.. i think postcards are better to reach jws because the message is short and other may read it with out opening the letter, so you never know who will be helped.. dear_________________.
you must find out about the fear that the w.t.
organization has put in you, so will stay under their mind control.
i think thats a very very bad postcard, i'd say 98% of jws who would read the first few sentences would throw it away right away. You have to very slowly deceive them, or ask thought provoking questions while hiding your true intentions, a direct assault almost always fails, they just 'turn off'
-Dan
air steward brian has walked off with the 70,000 big brother prize, after defeating rival helen by more than one and a half million votes.. in the telephone and interactive tv vote, brian took 4.23 million votes, to helen's 2.63 million.. just thought some of you might be interested![8>].
nic'.
http://communities.msn.co.uk/altjehovahswitnesses
My girlfriend is obsessed with bog brother 2 here in the US..she is always watching the live feeds :)
i wish our big brother was like the ones overseas, with nudity! damn US prude censors
-Dan
she is studying with one of jws.
she has a study with her teacher, and then she comes here and talks about it.
she learns that the wts teaches one thing to new ones, but something else entirely to those who are already baptized.
thats the key isn't it, verifiying what you are told and not taking it for face value like when you were a JW..most things posted on here have refferences and links to official sites where it was taken from.
I say we all take a tour of brooklyn bethel, and then sneak away from the tour group and go to the toilets and at a pre-appointed time flush all the toilets at the same time turning the whole place higgelty-piggelty! I think it would be too hard to make the building levetate.
Hey slip-n-slide, thats the picture of the galactic cruiser commander in starcraft isnt it? Didja know his voice and look is modeled after the SDF1 captain in the 80's cartoon series ROBOTECH?
-Dan
has anyone ever addressed the incidence of domestic violence in witness families?
i am relatively new here and don't want to cover old ground.. thinking back, i can name multiple examples of households in each congregation i attended where domestic violence was evident.. i have an active protective order against my ex.
who is still active in the congregation he attends.
Monica,
Yeah people sometimes don't take emotional/psychological abuse seriously. It's like "Well if he dosen't hit you then it can't be that bad."
alot of victims of emotional abuse would prefer their tormenter would just hit them, it seems physical blows would heal faster than emotional ones. Tormenters such as my dad get their jollies by controlling others. Issues such as dumping your clothes over the floor and ordering you to clean it up is them exercsising control. Anothe rmethod of torture is sleep deprivation. He will often make my mom stay up all night talking to her about her innadequcies, why she was a bad mother or why her family was awful or how the whole world was out to get him. He was paranoid and being a JW didnt help much. He voudlnt hold a job longer than a couple of months, mostly because he could not take orders from someone else..he was too proud.
I dont speak to him anymore and never wish to, there were many times I literally wished him dead but could think of no way to kill him without being caught. Emotional abuse is that bad.
I was scared to be alone in the house with him. He would preach against the evils of tom and jerry as being violent and therefore from satan. Oh get this..he hit my mom in front of my 7 year old little brother who happens to be autistic, and hass the $#@%! nerve to try to give me a speech for playing a video game like tekken tag in front of him. What an asshole. He still claims satan made him do it.
that it wasnt him, it was satan attacking the family. He is still trying to contact me I beleive but i have moved and have new number and everything, he hasnt been able to track me down at all.
When he got angryhis eyes would literally look demon-possesed. I have heard accounts of soldiers who commit attrocities in wars, such as the japanese in the naanking massacre, to have this look. I beleive it now to be the look of absolute loss of rational thought, the moment when you are completley at the mercy of your deepest animal insticts and fury. THis is why we fear it so, because we are no longer dealing with a human being but an animal. One time he hit the wall half an inch from my face and put a hole in the wall..why?
Because I had missed the school bus. And it wasn't even that i had missed it..he misunderstood me. I told him the bus that had just left was not my school bus but another one, mine would arrive any minute..but he wasnt to be reasoned with. I just ran and left the house after that. My mom told me he would throw knifes at her, and to this day she does not keep any sharp knifes in the house. She uses a special electric safety knife to cut meats and vegetables.
All this while he wa sa JW in good standing, and everyone thought he was a great guy. Especially my older brother who defended him constantly. His response? His advice was to 'just avoid him' and 'dont provoke him'
yeah whatever.
One time, to avoid him, i walked 3 hours to my friends house and stayed the night. This is a man who never learned how to love or how to interact with humans. In court when my mom was trying to get custody of my autistic little brother he brought all these papers trying to discredit my mom by saying she had depression and was on medication all the time..yeah i wonder why she was depressed.
Then he tried to say me, by leaving the jw's had rejected all moral standards and was disobedient and a delenguint. THe judge saw he was a psycho though and gave custody to my mom. Unfortunatley she is now under the control of my older brother but thats a different story.
-Dan
has anyone ever addressed the incidence of domestic violence in witness families?
i am relatively new here and don't want to cover old ground.. thinking back, i can name multiple examples of households in each congregation i attended where domestic violence was evident.. i have an active protective order against my ex.
who is still active in the congregation he attends.
My mom was abused physically for years and the rest of us emotionally (late night raids into the room, dumping the entire contents of your vloset on the floor, telling you to clean it up) One night, he made the mistake of hitting her when I was home, he usually only did stuff when he was alone with her.. I called the police and everyone was pissed at me for calling the police. My older brother defended my dad and said it was just a slip in self control. Unfortunatley he didnt get arrested because he left no physical bruises on her.
Now shes divorced from him without being dissfleowshiped only because she knew he had cheated on her before and he admitted it to the elders.
-Dan
she is studying with one of jws.
she has a study with her teacher, and then she comes here and talks about it.
she learns that the wts teaches one thing to new ones, but something else entirely to those who are already baptized.
SAID IN UNITY..ready all together now..
"Remember who taught you the truth"
"There is no other religion on earth that has as much unity and love"
"Even if it's wrong, it's still the most morally correct way to live"
"What do you expect? They are imperfect men! Even moses erred at times but God still used him"
"whazaaaaaaaaaaa?"
"The light keeps getting brighter and brighter and brighter and brigher and dimmer and brighter again and sometimes we must travel in a zig zag course to arrive at our desitination like tacking in ship navigation..."
"If you come across any literature from species 9472, burn it on sight...literature from worldy fluidic space is radioactive and will kill you"
"We're Jehovahs witnesses.....we speak out in fearlessness..ours is a bla bla bla bla resistance is futile"
what do you think of the wtbts explaining away of god not having a beginning?
ps.
90:2 is always quoted and explained as he's always just been there and that we as humans will never grasp that concept because we have a beginning and will have an ending (death).
we already discussed this in a previous thread hehe. But yeah, its a logical loop that never ends. If you beleive in god, you will then be admitting that intiligent, self-aware beings can arise soley by either chance or by simply always having been, without beginning or end despite their being amazingly "designed"
Evolution and creation make little sense.
-Dab
aren't you sick of being filled with so much hate ?
i think hate is one of the greatest sins.
satan hates jehovah, and his people.
God is love, thats why he allowed the hollocaust to happen as well as the rwanda attrocities.
If I knew ahead of time that my son was going to be killed, and not just killed but sadistically tortured, and I allowed it to happen despite my full ability to not only prevent it, but stop the act in progress at any time...and I did NOTHING, what would you think of me? And If My reason for doing so was to prove to my rebellious son that he can't take care of himself but needs my guidance to live properly, what would you think of me? Would you say "Man, that Dan sure loves his family, he not only shows love, he is love.
-Dan
i am sorry to be so cruel as to beat someone as defenseless as big jim......not.. from big jim and for all those who congratulated him on his reasoning abilities!.
adam .
>okay, so god created adam in his own image.
serve God or believe the lies of Satan
why was it a lie? They didn't have knowledge of good and bad..when they ate it they did know good and bad. God kicked them out of the garden so that they would not be immortal like him and become rival gods. Satan said you will positively not die..they would not have died if they had eaten from the tree of immortality. Also notice how god is actually WALKING in the garden..and in the new testament it says god will dwell with his people and wipe every tear from their eyes..seems like the original idea of god was like a human who actually walks around and interacts with everyone.
Genesis 3:23: 22
And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."
