"There is nothing in which people more betray their character than in what they laugh at." Goethe
myelaine
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To the mentally disturbed on JWN
by undercover inactually i thought about making a thread called, "to the rational and non-delusional of jwn" but realized it wouldn't get too many hits, so instead i've created a thread for all those conspiracy theorists, doomsday sayers, christ complexers and the just plain ole batshit nuts.. this thread is for you....
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How can anybody KNOW god?
by Terry inhumans are to ants what god is to humans..... at least, that is how i see it.. ants can't know humans or entertain theories and ideas or myths about humanity.. if we step on an anthill they don't mourn and bury their dead and send prayers up to us.. we are just one more thing they have to deal with.. humans don't become an ant and live among them and die at their bidding only to rise and save a few for later reward.. humans don't help a select few ants write a wonderful and inspiring ant bible to enlighten and bond with us.. ants are extremely different from humans and the twain simply don't meet.
we barely tolerate their existence!.
but, we humans are convinced god is a guy in the sky.
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myelaine
matthew 11:27
xo
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Does the Christian message fall apart without a literal interpretation of Genesis?
by nicolaou in.
what's the point of jesus if adam & eve did not 'fall' and condemn us all to sin?.
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myelaine
dear PSacramento...
you said: "Sometimes we forget that even the apostles didn't always agree with each other or see eye-to-eye, such was the case with Paul, Peter and James, even John and James and the rest of the apostles, even Thomas.
We don't always have to agree on every little point about doctrine, we are all under Our Lord and how Our lord chooses to reveal himself to each of us is Up to Him.
Peace and love amongst all believers, in Our Lord Jesus Christ."...
while scripture mentions disagreement among the apostles I doubt the church would have come to a "unity of the faith" if they had simply agreed to disagree...likely they brought forth their good reasons until a concensus was achieved. I also doubt that the nature of Jesus Christ was ever considered a little point about doctrine. Jesus Christ is the foundation of the faith...what a shaky foundation if He can be both God and not God at the same time. how could the church make a legitimate defence of its faith to an unbeliever? why would martyrs concede to such a waffleing doctrine? in fact james 5:20 makes much of the difference between truth and error...the difference being the persons salvation or not. faith confronts the erring brother...this is true and enduring love. when we were talking on tuesday I had mentioned how unity in body of Christ goes hand in hand with unity of purpose. 1 john 2:19 speaks of those that had their own agenda apart from building up the body for a purpose (2 thess 1:10) *amen!!*...verse 21 agrees that no lie(error) is of the truth...there is only one truth then...Jesus is God the Son or Jesus is not God the Son.
Jesus agreed that He was the Son of God making Himself equal with God(john 5:17-18)...put another way..."Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also." (1 john 2:23).
love michelle
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HELL ain't what it use to be! Pastor in trouble for doubting it!
by Terry infaith hell-questioning pastor rob bell says new book has led him to profound brokenness .
bell's recently-released book.. nashville, tenn. (ap) evangelical megachurch pastor rob bell said he did not anticipate the firestorm he would stir with his book that questions the traditional christian belief that a select number of believers will spend eternity in heaven while everyone else is tormented in hell.. bell said tuesday that he not only didnt set out to be controversial, he had no idea his best seller, love wins, would bring condemnation from people like southern baptist seminary president albert mohler, who claims bell is leading people astray.. the last couple of weeks have been most painful in my life, the pastor from mars hill bible church in grand rapids, mich., told a crowd of about 1,600 at nashvilles belmont university on tuesday after an audience member asked him about the criticism he has faced.
it has taken me to a place of profound brokenness.. but he said that with gods help he has been able to learn and grow from the experience.. even before the book was published last month, religious leaders and their followers were branding it heresy, hailing it as a breakthrough or landing somewhere in the middle.
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myelaine
dear Terry...
“I kept meeting religious people who were incredibly dogmatic about heaven and hell when you die but didn’t seem to care about the fact that 800,000,000 people will go to bed hungry tonight.”...concern and provision for your fellow man isn't universalism...it's part of christianity. maybe the pastor is hearing from the "comfortable pew"...for some it's just easier to write people off than give treasure or labor towards their salvation.
I've always had a hard time understanding how believers would be "evacuated" while everyone else suffers. in reading the bible I get the sense from the OT in combination with revelation(plagues) that there is more evidence of the same type of action taken by God as there is in Leviticus 23:21-23. if you walk contray to God He removes His protection and allows the plague and the beast to come against you. in the OT the ones who didn't walk contrary to God weren't taken away from these things but likely were given divine protection from them.(some prophets are an example of this) according to jeremiah 25:32-38 trouble will go from nation to nation as well as amongst the "flock" and the sheperds who are contrary to God are not spared either. in revelation 7 it says that the trouble later described wont happen before His servants are sealed...(the only way sealing is described is by the Holy Spirit who also quickens believers.[divine protection] romans 8:11). the whole reason, I believe, that God told His people how/why He would take this action of removing His protection is that a) He want's people to "return/turn" to Him b) in His love for mankind He saw fit to warn us that there would be a great tribulation at the hands of those that don't return/turn to Him.
having said that I think it's possible that even some christians under-estimate the love of God AND His ability to bring about His desire...revelation 7:9-14...these "come out of" [divine protection] the tribulation where even the saints are killed.rev 13:7
love michelle
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LETS TALK SATAN....WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE?
by Quentin ini for my part do not believe there is a satan the devil.
he does not exist.
there is a creator, but no oposite number, no satan.
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myelaine
greetings!
I have noticed that in the bible where satan is mentioned as being seen as himself it is when people are "in the spirit" otherwise he possesses or materializes within something or someone.
job (spirit realm)
spoken to by God and described as he really is (spirit)
wildeness with Jesus who was led there (in the spirit)
zechariah in a vision (in the spirit)
Jesus "sees" him falling from heaven (in the spirit)
A&E (physical)
peter (physical)
judus (physical)
A&S (physical)
with the body of moses (undetermined O.o)
so it seems if you are aware of the reality of satan you are able to discern whether he is there or not. if I remember correctly, throughout the bible he was only physically identified as the persona, satan, by Jesus in the NT and God in the OT.
love michelle
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One thing the WT got right was the Trinity being false.
by miseryloveselders ini swear only a fool would believe in such a ludicrous doctrine that all three are one.
ridiculous..
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myelaine
dear PSacramento...
you said post #7945: "If the writers of the OT and the followers of the OT had gotten it right, there would have been no need for Christ."
according to romans 1:18-19: For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is evident among them; for God hath shewed it unto them. + That was the true Light which gives light to every man who comes into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. (john 1:9-10)
have you exchanged the truth of God for your lie? how does this serve you well?
love michelle
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One thing the WT got right was the Trinity being false.
by miseryloveselders ini swear only a fool would believe in such a ludicrous doctrine that all three are one.
ridiculous..
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myelaine
Come near to Me, hear this:
I have not spoken in secret from the beginning;
From the time that it was, I was there.
And now the Lord GOD and His Spirit
Have [a] sent Me.”Footnotes:
- Isaiah 48:16 The Hebrew verb is singular.
love michelle
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For non-believers: What evidence would it take for you to believe in 'god'?
by jay88 init all comes down to evidence (but funny how we tend not to accept the evidence that indicates that what be actually believe to be true might be wrong).. this is a statement made by nick in previous thread of his.. >>>>>>>>>>.
if the ot 'god' reappeared today, would that be evidence of 'god'?.
jay, .
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myelaine
dear PSacramento...
you said?: "God reveals himself to us, not only in the Bible and the many religions of the world, and not only via his Word ( Christ) but via the universe.
To only focus on ONE is to get only a partial picture."...
in the bible it says that the invisable attributes of God can be seen in the creation...these would be the orderliness of the creation, as in the way each day is measured and the sun is just this close to the earth, the moon illuminates the night, the beneficial "seasons" etc..."being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead" and the reason for gentile guilt was because they had made God to be like perishable man (rom 1:20-23)...I don't think scripture says that God has revealed Himself to mankind through differing and opposing religions. God is a God of order not a God of chaos. in fact paul went about telling those on mars hill that God was willing to overlook the previous time of ignorance but now commands all men everywhere to repent because He has appointed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.(acts 17:30-31)
I wonder how it makes sense to you and maybe you could explain how it could be that God would "reveal" through the Hebrew prophets in such a way as to intimate that there is a coming Messiah then Jesus enters into the world as the image of the invisible God...the Way the Truth and the Life and then some 600 years later mohammed comes along with an immature grasp of Jesus and the gospel message...vetos clear teaching in the gospel (ie. original sin, salvation, Son of God, regeneration, resurrection) yet you believe that somehow a God of order is "responsible" for giving him this information? Jesus said, "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent". There really doesn't seem to be any significant agreement between the gospel revelation of Truth, who is Jesus Christ, and what mohammed taught about Jesus Christ...if you are to suggest that the God of the Hebrews, the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob who was conceptualized as God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit is the same God that gave mohammed his "revelation"...wouldn't that be like NOT revelation but more like receeding back into darkness since by the time mohammed came along christianity HAD spread beyond the borders of israel, he himself had heard of Jesus Christ.
I think it far more likely that the one who gave mohammed his information to "recite" is one who didn't understand the nature of God or His redemption "plan" through Jesus Christ...being either uninformed or a reviler of Jesus Christ...or that mohammed completely misunderstood what his informer was saying (which would be short-sighted on the part of God as mohammed was the only one to bear "his" message) ...either way because Jesus said, "I am the Way the Truth and the Life and no one comes to the Father but through Me" the people who practice islam would eventually need to repudate what mohammed taught in order to come to the Father...why would the God of truth, who cannot lie, give mohammed the wrong directions to get to Himself? *note gabriel in the bible told mary that she would bear the Son of the Most High yet the gabriel who supposedly spoke with mohammed caused him to say that God has no need of a Son.
please, seriously consider this: you are actually elevating your thoughts over the words of Jesus Christ.
love michelle
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"Islamaphobia is Unpatriotic"--Article With Disturbing Video
by Justitia Themis inhttp://www.libsandcons.com/1/post/2011/03/islamophobia-is-unpatriotic.html.
they are abused with calls of go home, and terrorist, little children are subjected to it as well.
a villa park councilwoman named deborah pauly echoes the rhetoric of pamela geller and even calls for the murder of participants (who she labels terrorists) at the charity event.
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myelaine
dear DanaBug...
I did not see the video and it is no longer available in that post.
I would NOT agree that a charity event for women and children is the forum to resist the islamic religion. I think that those who do use such events as a forum are misguided...just as I think that the protestors from westboro church at the funerals of servicemen/women are misguided.
open and honest debate ought to bring out correct information not intimidation.
I respect that the muslim clerics know how to interpret their koran and its sharia law. I respect that they mean and believe what they say at the preface of their koran with every fiber of their being. If a muslim person wants to live under the precepts of the koran and its sharia law, then fine, I can respect their decision. BUT I believe that it is not in the best interests of myself and my family to live under those same precepts and so therefore when the muslim population starts to make noises in the direction of introducing their sharia law in the host country I see a distinct lack of respect for the system we choose to live under.
sharia law is not the same as the ten commandments.
"Islamic law is probably best known for deterrent punishment which is the basis of the Islamic criminal system, and the discrimination against women.
Another important feature of Muslim law is the fact that there is no clear separation of church and state. Under Islamic law, the religion of Islam and the government are one. Islamic law is controlled, ruled and regulated by the Islamic religion; a theocracy.
Written in the form of a religious book akin to the form of the Christian Bible, the Koran nonetheless and relentlessly sets out a moral code - Islamic law - for adherents of the Islamic faith, of which it forms the pinnacle.
Because of this and also the strict, dramatic and unforgiving nature of the text, the law as it has formed in Islamic countries has followed the edicts of the Koran, often literally and often with cruel result. This is contrasted with the governments of Christian nations who have abandoned similar dramatic or violent parables of law as set out in the Bible, instead extracting and developing a relatively un-invasive rule of law."
once sharia law is imposed on a society...any criticism of the government is taken as blasphemy, for which Sharia prescribes prison or death."
cf. http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/S/ShariaLaw.aspx http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/T/Theocracy.aspx
the islamic religion believes that their sharia law is THE superior form of governance and I don't think it is wise to confuse the true face of islam with the face of your moderate muslim american friends. one is a thing the other is a person. though I didn't see the video I can "imagine" that the protestors did confuse the two as the quote has them telling the muslim people to "go home" and calling them "terrorists".
islam seems to have gobbled up every culture in its path, do we want to wait until we are intimidated before we "push back" against it? or should we stand up for our sons before the situation is critical?...there comes a time, doesn't there, that one has to BE patriotic or risk losing forever that which we love.
love michelle
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"Islamaphobia is Unpatriotic"--Article With Disturbing Video
by Justitia Themis inhttp://www.libsandcons.com/1/post/2011/03/islamophobia-is-unpatriotic.html.
they are abused with calls of go home, and terrorist, little children are subjected to it as well.
a villa park councilwoman named deborah pauly echoes the rhetoric of pamela geller and even calls for the murder of participants (who she labels terrorists) at the charity event.
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myelaine
dear Justitia...
the word patriotism means love for country. in america we enjoy the FRUITS of a democracy. we VALUE them.
the religion of islam was drawn out of the koran and its sharia law. islam IS submission to THAT theocratic government set out in the koran.
islam does not VALUE the FRUITS of american democracy.
if you read the "preface" of the koran you will read that islam desires to enable ITS theocracy worldwide.
PREFACE (koran) Praise be to God, the cherisher and sustainer of the worlds, who has said in his noble book(the koran): There has come to you from God light and a perspicuous book.(surah 15) And may peace and blessings be upon the seal of the prophets, muhammad, who has said that: The best among you is he who learned the koran and then taught IT May the peace and blessings of God be upon him, his family and all his companions. the glorious koran is the book of God, the wise and worthy of all praise, who has promised to safeguard IT from any violation in IT'S purity. It becomes incumbent upon each and every person who seeks the dignity of this world and the bliss of the hereafter to regulate his life according to IT, to implement IT'S commandments and to pay homage to the magnificence of the one who revealed IT. This can be an easy task for those favored with guidence from God, especially those blessed by an understanding of ARABIC, the language of the DIVINE COMMUNICATION. But for those not acquained with ARABIC, their ignorance is a barrier between them and this source of guidance and ILLUMINATION. A translation of the message of God is thus a task not to be taken lightly or performed superficially. Before the reader begins to study the koran, he must realize that unlike ALL other writings, this is a unique book with a supreme author, an eternal message and a universal relevance. ITS contents are not confined to a particular theme or style, but contain THE FOUNDATIONS for an entire system of life, covering a whole spectrum of issues, which range from specific articles of faith and commandments to general moral teachings, rights and obligations, crime and punishment, personal and public law, and a host of other private and social concerns. These issues are discussed in a variety of ways, such as direct stipulations, REMINDERS OF GOD'S FAVOURS on his creation, admonitions and rebukes. Stories of past communities are narrated, followed by the lessons to be learned from their actions and subsequent fates.The koran enjoys a number of characteristics unique to it alone, some of which are as follows: 1. IT is the ACTUAL WORD OF GOD; not created but revealed for the benefit of ALL MANKIND. Blessed is he who sent down the criterion to his servant, that it may be an admonition to ALL CREATURES(surah 1.) 2. IT is COMPLETE and COMPREHENSIVE. The almighty says:"NOTHING HAVE WE OMMITED from the book."(surah 38.) In another place we read, " and we have sent down to thee the BOOK explaining ALL THINGS"(surah 89.) 3. It is a theoretical and practical book, not only moralising but also DEFINING specifically the permissible and the forbidden. The importance of understanding THE MESSAGE OF THE KORAN is UNDENIABLE., but simply reciting it with the intention of SEEKING God's pleasure and reward is also an act of worship AND MERITORIOUS IN ITSELF. God the almighty says: "so take what the prophet gives you and refrain from what he prohibits you.(surah 7.) 4. God has perfected his religion for ALL MANKIND with the revelation of THIS BOOK.. He says: "THIS DAY have I perfected your religion for you, completed my favor upon you and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.(surah 3.) 5. It is God's eternal miracle revealed to the prophet mohammad for all succeeding generations. In response to those who doubt the authorship of the koran, God almighty has challenged the most articulate ARABS to produce a whole book, ten chapters or even one solitary chapter which can be remotely compareable to the koran. but to this day, no one has succeeded in meeting the challenge of the almighty. The critics of the koran have been struck dumb by its ineffable eloquence and surpassing beauty. Say, if the whole of mankind and jinns were to gather together to produce the like of this KORAN, they could not produce the like of this koran, they could not produce the like thereof; even if they backed up each other with help and support.(surah 88.) The almighty also says: "Or they may say: he forged IT, Say: "Bring ye then ten chapters forged, like unto it and call (to your aid) whomever ye can OTHER THAN God, if ye speak the truth. (surah 13) And again: "Or do they say: He forged it? Say: "Bring then a chapter like unto it and call (to your aid) anyone ye can besides God, if it be ye speak the truth (surah 38.) 6. IT has been revealed to RE-ESTABLISH the sincere WORSHIP of God alone, without association of any partners with him. This is a book with verses basic or fundimental (of establishing meaning), further explained IN DETAIL, - from the one who is wise and well-aware. (IT teaches) that you should WORSHIP none but God. (surah 1-2.) And they have been commanded no more than this: to worship God, offering him sincere devotion, being TRUE in faith, to establish regular prayer and to give zagat(literally, to grow, to purify...the third pillar of islam. it is a definite portion of wealth which is given to needy at the turn of the year), and that is the religion RIGHT and STRAIGHT.(surah 5.) 7. IT contains a complete code which provides for ALL areas of life, whether SPIRITUAL, intellectual, political, social or economic. IT is a code which has NO BOUNDRIES of time, place or nation. "Veritly this KORAN doth guide to that which is MOST RIGHT." (surah 9.) 8. God almighty has TAKEN IT UPON HIMSELF the DUTY of preserving the KORAN forever in ITS entirety, as he says: "WE HAVE WITHOUT DOUBT sent down the message, and we will assuredly guard IT (from corruption)." (surah 9.) So well has it been preserved, both in memory and in writing, that the arabic text we have today is identical to the text as it was revealed to the prophet. Not even a single letter has yielded to corruption durning the passage of the centuries. And so IT will remain forever, by the CONSENT OF GOD. given the depth as well as the sublimity of the koranic text, a faithful translation of it into another language is virtually impossible...but...To accomplish this enormous task, a number of committees were formed, comprising scholars well-qualified both in ISLAMIC SHARI'A (law) and the english language...To implement the directions of the custodian of the two holy mosques (may od preserve him) concerning the propagation of the book of God, it distribution and translation into every language spoken by muslims the worldwide, and due to cooperation between the general secretariat of king fahd holy koran printing complex and the presidency of islamic researches, ifta, call and guidence regarding a faithful, specific and scholarly translation of the meanings of the holy koran, we are pleased to present to all muslims and those SEEKING SPIRITUAL LIGHT among english speaking people....May God reward bounteously those who were behind this BLESSED work. ~THE PRESIDENCY OF ISLAMIC RESEARCHES, IFTA, CALL AND GUILDANCE~
it is not unpatriotic to resist THAT form of theocracy. it is not a phobia to say no to THAT form of theocracy.
however, YOU have the right to ignore the HISTORICAL and CONTEMPORARY evidence of the fruits of islam and its theocratic "system" of governance of the people if you want to.
love michelle