i told my parents i dont believe in god, i dont believe in all this mystical stuff it seems like magic to me.
i like science better, i believe in the big bang, and evolution.
my keeps asking for proof, he says he has the bible.
Its evolution by natural selection that's theoretical. The modelling is for the mechanisms or the contributing causes/factors to those changes. Descent with modification is a fact though.
Even the JWs have to agree to at least one evolutionary burst shortly after the Flood. One pair of ancestors from one cat "kind" giving rise to descendants of different genera and species is speciation. They postulate a form of hyper evolution.
i've been brought up as a jw, and i am now 20 years old, am away from home at university and have an agnostic boyfriend.
not your ideal jw girl by any means!
all my jw mates are baptised now, and i've managed to hold off til now.
Welcome to the board Gerbils.
I got baptized soon after highschool, and I still regret it. Others may have sincerely believed all or at least some of the JW teachings, but I never found myself really believing any of their unique teachings. But I allowed my need for acceptance from my father and all the other people I grew up with (all JWs) get the better of me. I even thought that there has to be something lacking in me.To make myself feel better I tried to make the step have some kind of personal meaning. I hoped that it could be a start on to a "spirituality" I never felt before, if only I really tried this time. But answering "yes" to the clause about "god's spirit directed organization" only made me feel like a hypocrite. What I've been all along. What I still feel like today. Getting baptized doesn't make anything easier in the long run. You're legally and socially bound to the control of the Org.
You're not a coward to me. I admire your resolve and those of others who have never allowed themselves to be coerced into something they don't believe in. The inner strength to make a principled stand. That says volumes about character. You owe yourself freedom. The world also needs as many principled people as it can get. Stick around on this board and you'll find plenty of others here just like you.
do you believe the bible is the word of god?
i ask because i believe it's important for searching jws who come here to not only learn if there are christians here but also to hear from them personally what their thoughts on the bible are.
i believe the bible is the word of god, do other chriatians here also believe that?.
Leo
I really wanted to tell her how wonderfully insightful she was, but my job as the substitute, was just to collect and supervise, or else I'd have given her an A+. You never know where you'll come across expressions that can move you. I'd have to say that I was the one being taught that day. But some students are just incorrigible.
my wife and i live in a rather small town.
around 5500 residents and about another 2 to 3 thousand on the outskirts.. we have a very good hospital here, considering the size of the county and residents.. my wife is a nurse and now is the office mgr.
of the home health dept.. it seems that there is no end to the several things the hospital is involved in that call for volunteers.
This was a great read. It sickens me to think about how the jw congregation treated one publisher (long time pioneer), that eventually was overcome by her schizophrenia. I'm sickened by how I sometimes reacted to her.
You'll know them by their fruits.
threads, posts within threads...life events, doctrine, hopes, dreams, drama.....what causes you to post here?
what do you feel you get from it?
or give to others?.
Because on this board I've found a wonderful community of people that I can openly share my thoughts with and they manage to elicit the whole range of human emotions within me. I know that I will not be shunned for my views but instead can expect enlightening discussions and counterpoints. Hopefully, sooner rather than later I can also give back something of worth to those on this board.
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do any of you have the matrix wish i could just forget all this attitude sometimes?
me and the wife were fightitng again and she asked why i can't just go back and pretend or just forget all this... she said as an athnostic you either don't belive in god or don't believe that god cares so why can't you just go and fake it... i was dumbfounded i ask her why can't you just get the f*ck out and stop faking it... she stormed out and i sat down here..... so i ask ya, if you could forget all the negatives about the wbts (i know thats a lot) and just go back like nothing had ever happened would you?
No way.
I had a dream once at a very young age (can't say for sure if I was 5-6). In it, I had gotten an awesome little hotwheels car for being a good boy. I can still to this day remember it in detail. Anyway, in the dream, I tucked it in the corner of my closet behind a whole bunch of boxes and stuff that my mother also kept in there. Well when I woke up, I had trouble figuring out whether I had really gotten the car or not. But the lure of it being real got the better of me and I wasted a good deal of time in the closet trying to find this fictitious car. I was disillusioned with myself. From then on I've always been a bit more cautious about being fooled by myself or others. I've still got alot of in-built gullibility to work on.
a pirated cd with kingdom melodies, first said to have been done by george benson and prince and their wives and later by george benson and celine dion and still later by george benson and an anonymous sister, is creating a stir in jehovist circles.
someone became suspicious and called george benson who told him that it was stolen by a brother who had left patterson and was put on a cd and distributed illegally.
someone else called the audiovisual dept.
Unless the elder I spoke with gets his voices confused, he actually received an mp3 of the song sung by Prince (he was a former Bethelite and both he and his spouse were special pioneers). So that part I believe is real.
http://www.kristv.com/global/story.asp?s=2637357&nav=bsmgtjoz .
http://www.kristv.com/global/story.asp?s=2637357&nav=bsmgtjoz .
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$10,000 US to rent someone else's facility was too much for them?
I know for a fact...I was unfortunately there to hear it....that expenses for the 2 day CA at their own London, Ontario Assembly Hall was just over $10,000 CA. Of course a sizable part of that is the ludicrous donation they decide upon beforehand. And as of Sun morning they were supposedly still about 6 grand in the whole for that weekend.
I agree with you both Blondie and Czar. The CAs and DAs are horrible and I've seen more and more people not show up, or arrive very late for morning and afternoon sessions.
this topic has been rolling around in my head for some time.
i don't expect that i'll write it perfectly as it needs to be articulated in different ways for different people...but i will do my best.
and worst of all, i am not expecting any kind of response that will satisfy me.
Being a bio major, I was very fascinated with Persinger's work on temporal lobe stimulation, and its induction of supernatural/paranormal experiences. (I was an ET nut since I was a little kid.) It does weaken the argument for the existence of the mystical or supernatural to a Thomas-y person like me, but it doesn't negate it. As LT rightly pointed out if even such a module were to exist, couldn't one just as logically say that atheists have underdeveloped ones?
From an evolutionary/material standpoint, one could argue that this sort of belief was necessary and beneficial for the early human mind. It would help it deal with its awareness of eventual death. It would help them remain sane and continue forward, rather than become dysfunctional (insane) and paralyzed by the prospect of a futile existence.
Editted to add: Quantum mechanics and "spooky action at a distance" are way too counterintuitive for this chimp!!!! But Frankiespeaking is right in how limited are views are even on what most would call objective reality....can we really be judgmental with the spiritual then? <---------- (Its the local agnostics club's membership drive can you tell? )
so, it sounds like the nhl and the players association is deadlocked and there's no contract.
the owners want to put a cap on the players' salaries and the players say no deal to that.
if there's no hockey this season, have you thought about how you're going to occupy hockey nights??.
Our beer commercials always manage to cheer me up in some way or other, but this latest one is too funny!
As for what I'm doing.....now you OHLers don't get upset with me....I've been following the Hamilton Bulldogs in the AHL. I can go see live games at Copps (I'm close to Steel town) and the OTHER teams are actually very skilled. The Bulldogs are currently at the bottom of their division.
