All I get is 'FORBIDDEN ACCESS' [>:(]
This is SO NOT FAIR!!!
Beck
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All I get is 'FORBIDDEN ACCESS' [>:(]
This is SO NOT FAIR!!!
Beck
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the world is full of half-enlightened masters.. overly clever,.
too "sensitive" to live in the real world,.
they surround themselves with selfish pleasures,.
Hi Tao
Yes I agree...words well spoken!!
Beck
the jws teach that you must bring the children to meetings.
they must be inculcated, and hear, read, and respond to what is good and bad.
that is how i was raised in the religion.
Hi Larc
Ah yes...our kids...our blessings from Jehovah we used to call them. You are right Larc...I feel sorry for the JW kids of today...I was one in the 60's & 70's...and it was hard then. But its even harder today for kids growing up with all the do's and dont's.
I look at my 3 little monkeys and my son has the worst grammar...he is styling himself after JaRule or Dr Dre...someone I've never heard of but who's lyrics make me shudder (not to mention Lil Kim). My 17 year old is a Jennifer Lopez wannabe...with the clothes...hair style...even the backside to match *sheesh*...my youngest is 11...she is very focused...she is studious...loves education...is thriving academically...is the teachers pet and is always coming home with all sorts of sports awards....she is on school council and has the manners of a virtuous saint. Yet I love each and every one of them with all my heart and soul...no matter how they turn out.
They all make me proud in different ways...I'm proud of my son because he loves me and isn't ashamed to kiss me goodbye when I drop him off at school...I love my eldest daughter because she is beautiful inside as well as out...she isn't the brightest kid on the block...but she's got a good heart...and I love my youngest because of the cute things she says like "I'm so sorry I gave you stretchmarks mum"...now how cute is that!!!
I guess what I mean is...that I love my kids more as worldies then I did when we were all witnesses...because I am no longer trying to mould their lives or trying to make them conform to my way of thinking. I'm not smothering them with spiritual things...or burdening them with my own disappointments.
I have a wee story to share...my son was 6 yrs old...and we used to have the bookstudy at our house all those years ago. One day while I was getting the house set up...we couldn't find him. Eventually we found him in the backyard...he had climbed a tree and had snuggled onto the branch and had fallen asleep. I never thought much about it...but just the other day he told me why he'd climbed the tree that day. He said that he didn't want to go to the bookstudy anymore...and he thought he would hide away until it was finished. Then when it was over, he would come back down. My heart sank...and I thought to myself 'what have I done????'
He laughed about it and said he was always looking for ways to dodge the meetings...but at the time...I never knew...I was too busy trying to make all of my kids 'conform'.
I think parenting is all about balance...and I'm still struggling to find mine...from witness to worldly...where do the boundries begin and end?
Beck
only you fried-day, (that's "yad-deirf" in your bass-ackwards prose).
would try to mess up someone's birthday with a rotten post.. i speak of yesterday - gwen's (somebody) birthday.. you're about as much fun as a rained-on potato chip!.
party poop!.
Happy Birthday Gwen btw...sorry I missed it. You're norty FridayBackToFrontArseAboutFacePerson!!
[email protected] poms and what?? What a laugh you are.
And don't swear FridayBackToFrontArseAboutFacePerson...its not necessary.
And who cares why he's so angry...he should get some manners!
ok, i am going to play devils advocate and ask the question: are the jw's correct about anything?
surely there has to be something that is commonly agreed upon to be correct.
i am not talking about what current jw's say, i am not talking about simple things like: read the bible, or be a witness.
I would ask myself...is there any good in Osama Bin Laden's cause?? Does the good outweight the bad in his case? Lives have been slaughtered in the name of god...what's the difference?? The WT has also slaughtered.
Beck
i have frequented this site quite a bit, but i now have finally joined.
since i seen many other people's posts i will tell.
i grew up with my mother in the "truth" but my father was not.
Hi there...welcome aboard...nice to see you...to see you nice
Looking forward to reading your posts/threads.
Beck
hi simon, firstly i would like to say thank you for allowing us to post on here, its been a real eye opener for me to see that there are other people out in the world like me, that we are not the freaks after all, when i first got disfellowshipped i thought it was a terrible thing, that i was leaving the truth, now, after spending around a month on here i can see i never was in the truth, so thank you for letting me see that.. also can i say its refreshing to see someone admit when they make a mistake, like you did in the thread by sf, thank you for not being too proud to listen.
Well put dungbeetle...we need a gesture that has a nodding head...I couldn't agree with you more!!
Beck
hmmmmm............ although a lot of factors weigh in on a person's reaction to shunning, who is guilty in the end?.
i was wondering what the bryant's jw family are thinking, but reverting to my old jw rationale, "that's what happens when you leave the organization.
" i am horrified at what i could rationalize for the society.. maybe dave and the rest who attended the services can help someone in the family who was reconsidering jw policies.
Hi again alamb
Thanks for your kind words. btw..I can't access hotmail from work sometimes...it is our sensitive network...I'm lucky to have access to this forum sometimes...but even then it is volatile.
I was thinking more and more about that guilty feeling...and I have to confess...that I shunned my brother for a good number of years. He was DF a couple of years before I left...and I remember crossing the street when I saw him coming....and yes...I felt so guilty...but he says it wasn't me doing it to him...it was 'borg mentality'... which is exactly how it was. My thinking was not my own...I was conforming
The borg turned me into a horrible person....and when I left...it was the very one I had turned my back on who showed me love, kindness and understanding. I can remember like it was yesterday my mother's words...'why don't u go and stay with your brother??'. My mother btw owns two properties...she lives in one and rents out the other...and despite the fact that she knew I had nowhere to go...she couldn't offer me shelter. NOW???? Things have turned right around....since I've left...I'm happier then a pig in sh*t I still feel guilty sometimes...regarding the shunning of my brother...but he is much happier now also, and he has forgiven me...couldn't ask for more.
Beck
that's right....recommend a book...any book that would be a good read....... mine's is:.
invisible man by ralph ellison
Cain and Abel by Jeffery Archer...nothing biblical about it...just a great story...I don't like the rest of Archer's work as much...also...anything by Wilbur Smith...some of his work is a bit predictable...but the Courtney series is really really good...I always wanted to be Centainne Courtney....as if!!!
Beck
hi simon, firstly i would like to say thank you for allowing us to post on here, its been a real eye opener for me to see that there are other people out in the world like me, that we are not the freaks after all, when i first got disfellowshipped i thought it was a terrible thing, that i was leaving the truth, now, after spending around a month on here i can see i never was in the truth, so thank you for letting me see that.. also can i say its refreshing to see someone admit when they make a mistake, like you did in the thread by sf, thank you for not being too proud to listen.
Nice post Chezza
It only occurred to me this morning on my way into work that I have never really officially said thank you to Simon...as I was thinking ahead and wondering how much work I would have to push through this morning before I can go 'online' And then I thought about all the time I spend on here...and if I was going into someone else's home and was chatting and socialising with others who were gathered there...there is no way I would ignore the host, yet I have kinda done that on here in a way.
Thank you Simon for the time you have contributed to providing such a useful internet resource and place of refreshment, a gathering place of sorts. I too have learnt that the truth never was the truth...and I remember being very defensive about 'apostate' material or websites....I remembering thinking that I was NOT going to go there!! I have since learnt that apostasy is NOT what we were taught it to be...and that is thanks to you and those who post on here. A big thanks to your wife and family also, for their understanding and support.
Beck