Posts by evergreen

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Kingdom Hall for sale - the pictures

by observador in

you may want to have a look at these pictures.

they're of that hall that is being talked about here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/76089/1.ashx.

when i saw this, i couldn't help but remember of that doctrine that would go like 'the waters of babylon, the great, will dry out and she will see her end', remember?

evergreen

Looking at that picture speaks a thousand words. Its not exactly falling down is it .I would probably go as far as to say its quite a fancy looking building for a kingdom hall .But hey maybe the inside looks a mess .

Our old hall was sold about 4 years ago as it was very old looking .Built in the 60 s.

They went on and on about refurbishing it untill they finally decided to sell it and have a quick build . Also to save costs they now share with another congregation (much to the annoyance of all the elderly ones).

But ive heard on the grape vine recently that both congregations are thinking of amalgamating as our congregation has dwindled in size over the last 3 years.

Times they are a changin !!!!!

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Watchtower Quote

by TowerWatch in

i'm trying to find the quote where it was stated in the watchtower that without the watchtower publications one could not come to a knowledge of the truth.

something like "if you read the studies in the scriptures for two years with out the bible you could learn the truth but if you read just the bible for two years they would lose the truth".

can anyone help.

evergreen

I,ll drink to that minimus.Blondie knows her stuff

Whats more even though i,m still attending meetings (only just) .Its a breath of fresh air to have all those niggling doubts answered and getting to know the back ground of the religion my mother persuaded me to join 12 years ago .

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anyone read monday, september 27 "examining the scriptures daily"?

by evergreen in

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i decided to have a look at the scripture for that day as it was sitting next to me whilst watching my daughters favorite programme the tweenies and noticed what the society had to say concerning false stories via e-mails etc.. mmmm rather interesting i thought .any one else read it?

evergreen

"They received the word with the greatest eagerness of mind,carefully examining the scriptures daily as to whether these things were so" Acts 17:11

Like the first century Beroens, we should examine closely and then act on what we learn, turning down false stories and clinging to the truth.Among the false stories that we need to be on guard against are a great many sensational tales, often circulated by means of E mail.It is wise to be cautious about such tales, especially if we do not know the original source of the information.Even if an experience or story was sent by a reputable christian, that individual may not have first hand knowledge of the facts. That is why it is important to be cautious about repeating or forwarding unverified accounts.We surely would not want to repeat such ungodly myths," or "false stories which violate what is holy"---1 Tim 4:7; New international version. w 9?15/02 12,13a

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Who wants to do a letter writing campaign to the borg?

by Jez in

reading the amazing information about what a cult is, got me thinking....there are thousands of ppl here, why don't we do a letter writing campaign to the society, bombarding them with letters outlining things like the cult attachment to jw's, disfellowshipping, 1914, un, anything that we would like to see admitted or changed?

outline what changes we think would be useful and necessary.

we could then post the letters that they send back here to let others know how they reply.

evergreen

Sounds a great idea...BUT, if i wrote to them it would have to be anonymous for obvious reasons.

One thing i would wish for them to do is reduce the number of meetings a week. There are far too many of them AND they are extremely boring (excuse me while i yawn...just thinking about it does this to me)

Also i would add a bit of life to the singing department( they should watch the good family film "big mommas house").The church singing bit is fantastic. OK maybe not as outrageous but at least sing out with a bit of passion.

these 2 steps would be a start!

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anyone read monday, september 27 "examining the scriptures daily"?

by evergreen in

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i decided to have a look at the scripture for that day as it was sitting next to me whilst watching my daughters favorite programme the tweenies and noticed what the society had to say concerning false stories via e-mails etc.. mmmm rather interesting i thought .any one else read it?

evergreen

I decided to have a look at the scripture for that day as it was sitting next to me whilst watching my daughters favorite programme the tweenies and noticed what the society had to say concerning false stories via E-mails etc.

mmmm rather interesting i thought .Any one else read it?

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Any witnesses celebrating a birthday?

by evergreen in

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my childs bithday is coming up in october and this year im going for it.i have her present bought and everything is in place to give her fantastic day to remember.for to long i have doubted this unfair policy of the borg and push has finally come to shove!.

anyone else doing the same either priavately or openly

evergreen

My childs bithday is coming up in october and this year im going for it.I have her present bought and everything is in place to give her fantastic day to remember.For to long i have doubted this unfair policy of the borg and push has finally come to shove!

Anyone else doing the same either priavately or openly

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I just finished Crisis of Conscience...

by Badger in

thanks to ray franz for writing it.

parts of the book have been talked about on the board before, but holy $#!+...seeing page upon page of evidence kept my jaw in a constant drop.... a few thoughts.... >franz seems to have little malice for the org, and it shows in the book.. >i looked at it with a very skeptical eye (as i do everything) and tried to see it from the perspective of a witness who sincerely believed.

i was still floored by the callousness of the comments of these people.. > control really does seem to be the watchword for these folks, and they've trained the rank and file well.

evergreen

I read this book twice within 2 weeks even writing down highlights as i had to use the one from the library.

I was blown away by what i read and all the mystery and scandal of inside BETHEL NY came flowing out.

I always wondered what all this stuff about what happened there in 1980 and it all made sense now .

It had a profound effect on the congregations in Ireland where i came from and the witnesses always kept going on about the apostasy and the 2 "apostates" John may and Martin Merriman.

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Should a Christian Fight in a war, or join the military service?

by l3gi0n in

ecclesiastes 3:8

: there is a time for peace and a time for war.

there are some arguments as to weather a christian would fight in military service, or would remain peaceful to all men, up until death.

evergreen

I totally understand where you are coming from ,BUT think about it.What if you did react to him and instead of now being able to tell me this story you were 6 foot under because he might have pulled a knife on you.Yes you did the right thing by turning the other cheek.

Also remember jesus as well as his disciples whenever threatened even to the point for eg when they tried to grab hold of jesus a number of times did not retaliate by fighting back but simply slipped away from the situation.Was that chicken. No it certainly wasnt , i know that most people would react ,many would see red and strike out,,,get your hands of me ,or the like. It takes a lot of courage for a man to turn the other cheek and walk away.Its easy to hate.

Whats more when jesus was being arrested ,he himself said he could have used his angels to fight those arresting him.But that wasnt the way for Christians.Thats why we look to his example as his followers .

Also supposing you never knew anything about Christianity.You were 30 years of age just prior to the 2nd world war and a you get into a conversation with a very spiritual man who comes from Germany about why jesus had to die for us.For years you listen to this man ,he helps many to learn about Christ.You now have a very strong faith in God.But then he tells you that he has a duty to go back to his native country to fight for his country as that is what his country demands.You understand his reasoning for this as it is his duty as much as it is your duty to fight for your country.

Several years later ,after the horrors of that war,the millions who died including the holocausts he waltzes back into your congregation and says "well i know what went on now, but i didnt know then(re the holocaust of which he sincerely didnt know about) .But it was still my duty to fight for my country".

Would you still agree that a Christian has the right to fight as part of his duty for his country ?

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Should a Christian Fight in a war, or join the military service?

by l3gi0n in

ecclesiastes 3:8

: there is a time for peace and a time for war.

there are some arguments as to weather a christian would fight in military service, or would remain peaceful to all men, up until death.

evergreen

Somehow i would find it very hard to believe that if paul or timothy or jesus Christ for that matter would drop bombs on cities and fellow believers simply because their country tells them that they should do so.

Also,i couldnt see Paul( if Israel had been independent in his day) fighting his fellow christian Timothy( if his country werent ruled by the romans either ) if their two countries were at war with each other .

Somehow i dont think that is the way for any True Christian .Not for man to direct his steps!

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AHA! Moments. When you were a JW; what struck you the hardest counter?

by Terry in

sooner or later every jehovah's witness encounters an intelligent person with facts at their disposal who can unload something that causes a doubt.

naturally, you defend against it.

but, the wind has been knocked out of your belief-system however briefly.

evergreen

I was only a spring chicken in the"truth " about a year when i had a very interesting conversation with a woman at a door in london in 1991.At the time i might add i was full of the zeal for the"truth"when AHAAAAH.She said she had been studying for years with the witnesses BUT she became dissillusioned over the 1975 THING.1975 THING i said to her and the brother to my right said yeah there was the 1975 Thing!.

The other AHA was when we were having a meeting for ministerial servants(i was one) and elders meeting and the CO suggested to us that we shouldnt pray for those who are spiritually sick when on the platform .I thought to myself ,what!.surely he didnt mean that .Who are we to jugde a person for not attending the meetings.Then he emphasised "why should we,they know its the truth ..they know they should be here so dont pray for them ".That really made me think!

There are probably a few more but maybe another time.....