Posts by evergreen

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Can someone help me to understand?

by hiccup in

i am very new to this whole "religion" and although i have pulled up some information on jehovah's witnesses, i can't seem to get my arms around it.

the reason i have come here is because my father has been doing bible studies and readings for about 2 years now and over the last 6 months to a year he has been someone very different from who i used to know.

it all started with a near fatal car accident and then with my sister getting involved with drugs and running away with her boyfriend.

evergreen

Hi Hiccup, When i first began to study with the witnesses. The things i was learning put me on a high. I felt like a window had opened up in my life and saw things in a completely different way.

One of the things that changed for me was my outlook on material possessions and my view of money. Originally from Ireland i moved to London . I had my own flat and a fairly well paid job. That was the only thing that was keeping me there at the time. But once my studies began, all that changed. I no longer felt "materialistic", didnt feel i had to be living and working in london etc. So i decided to move back to Ireland and "yes" i became a window cleaner.

The reason for this was a lot of other witnesses were doing similiar work and it freed them up to go out on into the "field ministry".This of course impressed me and i was of course so zealous ( on an emotional high) at the time that i decided to do the same.

Your father is probably following a similiar pattern. I could be wrong of course , but it might be a factor. He might be on a high at the moment because of his studies and is perhaps impressed with others at the KH and simply following their example.

Also the fact that emphasis in their teaching puts the kingdom first and material things second.

I hope this helps. But please tread carefully as others have mentioned on this tread. As your father will view it that satan is trying to use members of his own household to put him off the"truth".

I hope things work out for you. But no matter what happens in the future, he will always be your father and will always love you and your sister.That i can assure you will never change.

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Did it ever bother you that Watchtower never did charitible works?

by AK - Jeff in

i mean, for forty years believing the witness lie it always made me wonder.. judas was the keeper of the money box - and there are statements that indicated that the apostles thought that wasting money that could be used to aid the poor was sinful - so indications are that the earliest christians were doing charitible works.

of course there are many scriptural passages that encourage that activity among believers.

today all the organization ever does is pay lip service to charity.

evergreen

It was something that gradually began to irk me as the years went on especially when my mother would go on about how we should only be giving donations to the society as that was Gods organisation.

Yeah sure , then i would reply back ,that i didnt think a poor young child in a famine stricken part of the earth cared to much about how she got her bowl of soup . All that child wants is some food to keep her a live. Who is providing that bowl of soup for her , the society??

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Anyone (male) got a small or upturned nose?

by evergreen in

ok this will give you a laugh.

if you were a r & f bible student back in 1921 and you were blessed with the above facial credentials, you would be both shocked and lets say slightly disheartened by what you would have read in the 19 jan ga 1921 224( awakes predecesor golden age ).. it reads as follows.

" the size of the nose, as also the size of the eyes, is not without significance.

evergreen

hey ig , your conk simply cannot be as big as mine . Although i wouldnt call mine thunderous...just very large.

Tijkmo.. you are right about ladies with upturned noses . Everytime i think of a woman with an upturned nose, i always think of that very cute lady in the 60s comedy "bewitched".

Especially when she twiggled it when casting a spell !

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Anyone (male) got a small or upturned nose?

by evergreen in

ok this will give you a laugh.

if you were a r & f bible student back in 1921 and you were blessed with the above facial credentials, you would be both shocked and lets say slightly disheartened by what you would have read in the 19 jan ga 1921 224( awakes predecesor golden age ).. it reads as follows.

" the size of the nose, as also the size of the eyes, is not without significance.

evergreen

mmmmmm okayyyyy then, er, let me think

why did the chicken cross the road?..............................................................

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it takes time...

by googlemagoogle in

today i visited a (ex)jw christian forum, the first one i registered to when i needed to talk about my doubts and thoughts.

i read my posts from 1 year ago, when i was really deep into research about the bible and the canon in particular.

now it will soon be one year ago that i finally accepted that there is no jehovah.

evergreen

Youre right googlemagoogle. It sure does take a lot of time

I am currently reading through shauns research on jehovahs witnesses which im sure you have read on an other website. ive read crisis of conscience not to mention other related books etc etc and still im trying to shake of that ingrained Watch Tower programming that has been indelibly placed within my brain..

I havent been attending now for a good year, although like yourself i was for about 4 years in your situation.

I just finally said no i cant do this any more, ive had enough of this nonsense.

But like yourself and many others in this discussion forum i am searching for the truth. Most of us have already seen the truth about WT lies and coverups. But i believe that if people are sincere about finding God . They will find him.

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Anyone (male) got a small or upturned nose?

by evergreen in

ok this will give you a laugh.

if you were a r & f bible student back in 1921 and you were blessed with the above facial credentials, you would be both shocked and lets say slightly disheartened by what you would have read in the 19 jan ga 1921 224( awakes predecesor golden age ).. it reads as follows.

" the size of the nose, as also the size of the eyes, is not without significance.

evergreen

Ok this will give you a laugh. If you were a R & F bible student back in 1921 and you were blessed with the above facial credentials, you would be both shocked and lets say slightly disheartened by what you would have read in the 19 Jan GA 1921 224( Awakes predecesor Golden age ).

it reads as follows

" The size of the nose, as also the size of the eyes, is not without significance. The small-nosed man cannot have a judicial mind, whatever his other excellencies may be. And a man whose nose upturns can no more be expected to adminsister justice than a pug dog can be expected to act as a shepherd".

I must admit this gave me a good laugh as im not feeling to well at the moment . Whats more (if this view still stood) ive got a rather big nose . So that would have made me an allround excellent person with a good judicial mind.

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would dubs ever go into field service if there was no record-keeping?

by zagor in

do you think that any dub would ever go into field service if they didnt have to record hours of service?

i dont believe it at all.

in fact, you could see that everything they do is because there is some sort of record keeping behind it, i.e.

evergreen

I always remember this chap in our hall. I would have to say that he was a zealot when he came to getting reports on time . If i was doing announcements ,he would always say dont forget to mention the reports.

If any individuals didnt report he would go to them with a report slip and get them to report wether they had been out or not. I dont think there were to many inactive ones in our hall.

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Why did you leave?

by greendawn in

if someone asked to state briefly why you left the jw brotherhood what would you say?

evergreen

Got fed up having my life ruled by the old guys at brooklyn.

.....Fed up having no time to my self

.....Fed up having my head stuck in a book / magazine constantly

.....Fed up going out in the ministry pestering the same people every few months.

.....Fed up feeling constantly guilty all of the time.

I could go on but eventually reading crisis of conscience was the real eye opener which made me decide i had enough.

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Where was J.F. Rutherford burried?

by Stealth in

i have heard speculation that he could be burried in san diego at beth sarim or somewhere on statin island ny.

why is this such a big secret to the wt?

is there anyone still alive who knows where rutherford was burried?.

evergreen

and finally after looking at the matter in a reasonable way Bill, Bonnie, and Nathan and all of us decided that we have fought enough on this and it looks like its the Lord's will that we take his body back to Brooklyn, and have him buried in Staten Island, which we did

So its staten island then!

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Tim Olson kicked out of Bethel..............

by integ in

a higher profile bethelite has been kicked out of bethel.

there are hints that there are more to come.. .

integ.

evergreen

Maybe it's not a big deal....I don't know

lol c'mon you've got to be kidding !

I'll be following events very closely on this post