zwt,december 15 1911 page 450 infers that some kind of card woul be introducted for the ministry,at least that what seems to be infered.
BB, I searched wikipedia.org with 1911, card, watchtower, 1877, and 1916. I can't find a reference to what you're talking about. Can you provide the link? (The article "Watchtower Magazine" redirected me to "The Watchtower", which didn't contain the term "card".)
Dave
i'll start it off, then someone else give them a different challenge if you can think of any.. please give definitive examples that by evolution, a species has changed into something else.
give two separate findings by scientists, and it can't include any comments like "so we believe", "so we conclude that", or "the evidence shows that there could have been".....the wts has those copyrighted.. try and give un-doctored photographic proof, where possible, etc.
by the way the hominid skulls and the like will not be accepted, transition has never been proven, i don't think, just that they are different, and scientists "believe", they are pre-homo-sapiens.. i'm not saying you won't have examples, we just want you to walk the talk.
To LSheep:
From a February 1, 1999 profile of Groening in the Denver Post:
Matt Groening -- the executive producer of "The Simpsons," who pokes a lot of fun at religion -- was asked by The New York Times whether he believed in God and what he considers the most comical story in the Bible.
Said Groening: "I was very disturbed when Jesus found a demon in a guy, and he put the demon in a herd of pigs, then sent them off a cliff. What did the pigs do? I could never figure that out. It just seemed very un-Christian. Technically, I'm an agnostic, but I definitely believe in hell -- especially after watching the fall TV schedule."
And there you have it. Google pointed me to celebatheists.com, but the site was down. This is from Google's cache.
To Leo:
Nice point about linguistics. It seems that almost everything around us experiences a "natural selection" of sorts. Fads catch on, morph, then die, to be replaced by something else. It's inevitable.
Dave
http://www.jw-media.org/vnr/2122827332/717263.htm.
that explains it all.
they just didn't know, that it would be harmful to a child.
Some other items of interest:
Gail is the founder of Pathfinder Project: http://www.pathfinderproject.org/pathfoudinfo.htm
This same quote was discussed back in 2002: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/28626/1.ashx/Dr.+Bethea-Jackson
(Also at that link is a comparison between her quoted words and JR Brown's nearly contradictory words)
Gail is (or was) a counselor for a church of some sort: http://www.bolmcf.org/5Fold.html
The "transcript" of the information linked on the jw website is very short and contains the dreaded "...", leaving me to wonder what else was said that got left out. And I still have to wonder if Gail knows her words are being used by the Watchtower in this way.
Dave
http://www.jw-media.org/vnr/2122827332/717263.htm.
that explains it all.
they just didn't know, that it would be harmful to a child.
Oh my God.... The Great Jehovah is leading his people thru these tumultuous times of the end, and he had the foresight to warn against SMOKING back in the 1800's, but he hasn't quite gotten around to letting 'the light get brighter' on the idea that sex with children might be a bad thing. Holy ****ing god....
That they would even publish something like this on their web site shows how far removed from reality they are. Someone (probably several someone's) actually thought this was damage-control.
Dave
i'll start it off, then someone else give them a different challenge if you can think of any.. please give definitive examples that by evolution, a species has changed into something else.
give two separate findings by scientists, and it can't include any comments like "so we believe", "so we conclude that", or "the evidence shows that there could have been".....the wts has those copyrighted.. try and give un-doctored photographic proof, where possible, etc.
by the way the hominid skulls and the like will not be accepted, transition has never been proven, i don't think, just that they are different, and scientists "believe", they are pre-homo-sapiens.. i'm not saying you won't have examples, we just want you to walk the talk.
I searched around, but I can't find it now. There was an excellent CSI parody script (very short) that seemed so apropos. I'll try my best to recreate it here:
Detective: We've got you cold on this one, Tommy. You're goin' down.
Tommy: Did you actually see me shoot him?
Detective: Well, no. But we have your fingerprints on the gun.
Tommy: Did you actually SEE me touch the gun? No? Then you've got nuthin'.
Detective: We also have your blood-stained clothes. The spatter-pattern is consistent with a close-range shot in the abdomen. Your victim was shot in the abdomen at close range.
Tommy: Did you SEE the blood spatter on me? No? Your so-called "evidence" sounds pretty shaky to me, Boss.
Detective: Yeah, I guess you're right. You can go.
The point is that evidence can be used to reconstruct past events, even if no one saw them happen. We accept that idea in almost every facet of our lives. We don't speak definitively about everything -- we can't say if Tommy was wearing a hat when he shot the man, or if he liked extra-cheese on his pizza -- but the evidence available CAN tell us something. (You didn't have to see me type this post to accept the idea that I posted it, for instance.)
At the very least, evidence can be used to discount theories. If the theory is that the victim was stabbed to death, the evidence of gunshot wounds would tell us that theory is wrong. Maybe he used a gunpowder-laced, bullet-shaped knife? Possible, but far less likely than the "gun" theory.
This helps to explain why scientists don't often speak in absolutes. The world just doesn't work that way. It's all about likelihoods, not "truth".
Dave
i responce to this post .
i'll start it off, then someone else give them a different challenge if you can think of any.. please give definitive examples that by evolution, a species has changed into something else.
give two separate findings by scientists, and it can't include any comments like "so we believe", "so we conclude that", or "the evidence shows that there could have been".....the wts has those copyrighted.. try and give un-doctored photographic proof, where possible, etc.
>>Even most reputable scientists acknowledge the existence of a creator.
Do you have a reference for this?
Dave
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together for decades sometimes dating back to the second world war.. .
it has always amazed me how some couples can stay together for 20, 30, 40 .
The trouble with life is, by the time you understand it, it's over. That having been said -- thus establishing that I'm not an expert (hardly qualifying as a novice) -- I'll offer this:
There are those that stay together because it's so much more convenient. You own property together, your retirement money is bound together, your friends you've had for 40 years are as a couple -- the loss to your life would be so great if you split up, it simply couldn't be worth it.
But there are those that are genuinely happy together after decades. I think it's this group you're asking about.
I think it's luck. I don't have much to back that up, so it's only offered as an opinion. Two people get together when they're 20, then they both change into someone else when they're 25. And again at 30, and again, and again. For many if not most, this growth pushes them apart. Maybe not so much so that it warrants going their separate ways, but it's evident (to them) that things have changed for the worse.
But in some rare cases, the partners grow in roughly the same direction. It would seem inevitable that at least some of the time this would happen. If they each experience 10 life-changes, and all of these leave them compatible, then they wind up at the end as a happy, fulfilled couple.
I'm happy for them, but I wouldn't want to wager my life's happiness on getting that lucky myself.
Dave
it just dawned on me, and i'm really a little put out over it.
i was reading alanf's comments about vinny and his willingness to sacrifice children if god told him to.
alan suggested any fundamentalist christian should agree he would, and vinny did in fact agree.
>> While you are hallucinating or dreaming you don't know or
>> suspect you are (unless it's part of the hallucination/dream
>> or you are already waking up).
At least in my own case, I knew I was hallucinating. I saw a little dude that looked like Gizmo from the Gremlins step out from behind a garbage can and do a little dance for me. I was talking on the phone at the time, and explained it all to the person I was talking to. I knew full well it wasn't real, and it was pretty amusing. If he'd lit the room on fire, or floated an axe head, maybe the amusement level wouldn't have been as high! I'm sure there are levels of nuttiness that would preclude knowing you were nuts though.
>> AA you are drawing your own reality and block out anything you are afraid off!
I wouldn't say it's out of fear, but rather likelihood. I think it's far more likely that I'll be nuts than I'll be approached by a super-entity. Still though, I agree that this amounts to 'drawing my own reality', which is why it was such a disturbing realization to come to.
Dave
it just dawned on me, and i'm really a little put out over it.
i was reading alanf's comments about vinny and his willingness to sacrifice children if god told him to.
alan suggested any fundamentalist christian should agree he would, and vinny did in fact agree.
>>The folks who are hearing voices coming from god usually get told to commit crimes...
I think that, too. But on the other hand, if your neighbor had a "vision" in which he was told to cut down on saturated fats and exercise more, you'd never know. You only hear about the ones that make the news.
Again, I agree with you. But that other possibility exists.
Dave
it just dawned on me, and i'm really a little put out over it.
i was reading alanf's comments about vinny and his willingness to sacrifice children if god told him to.
alan suggested any fundamentalist christian should agree he would, and vinny did in fact agree.
It's not first-date material, granted. I'd need dinner and a movie before I'd even be willing to maim somebody -- and I'd get to pick the somebody!
But even if he just dropped by to say Hi, I'm sure I wouldn't buy it. I'm convinced (scary word -- "convinced" based on what, exactly?) that if I saw a guy that claimed to be a god, could perform miracles, all that stuff, that I wouldn't buy it. I would assume I was crazy.
Maybe if everybody else saw him too. And saw the miracles. But then, what good does that do me? That could all be hallucination too.
See what I mean? This brain in a jar just can't get out there and verify stuff like that.
LT -- You had a "revelation" of sorts, didn't you? How did you determine yours wasn't a baptism of bourbon, as it were?
Dave
