(disclaimer: may you have peace!
i am compelled to say that if you feel this post not addressing you, please, then, exercise a modicum of respect for those it is addressed to... and reserve your sarcasm.
that is, if you possibly can... for it would take a bit of love... and maturity... to do so.
Dear A Guest,
The information in this post is amongst the best you have ever written.
You have exposed from the Scriptures the falsity of the the Jehovah's Witnesses position on two classes of Christians, one limited in numbers class that get all the glory and the other that gets all the hard work and are concidered as good for nothing slaves.
I also regrettfully have to tell you, that I totally, i00% agree with Francois' post above. At the mouth of two or three witnesses.......
belbab,
i haven't seen any posting of this article here yet.
this is a must read .
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_standard.xsl?/base/front_page/10163697352835756.xml.
I haven't seen any posting of this article here yet.
this is a must read
belbab
hey guys,.
my dad has one and a half feet out of the door of the jw's....could you please email me at [email protected] for my dad's information?
he wants to talk doctrine with people, and he likes some of the stuff on the net but wants very, very knowledgeable people to talk with him.
check it again, Ash.
belbab
honestly, i read the first paragraph and burst out laughing.
do they not have a clue that this applies to their own followers??.
i've included the first article, and am mid-way through transcribing the second one, which i'll finish tomorrow when i come home from work.. feel free to comment too!.
Quoting from the article, (emphasis added:)
If we are truly interested in pleasing God, should we not consider seriously the accuracy of what we believe about him?
What is acceptable to God regarding true worship? The Bible answers: “This is fine and acceptable in the sight of our Saviour, God, whose will it is that all sorts of men should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth.” (1 Timothy 2:3,4)
( NWT, I assume.)The words all sorts of men are not found in the Greek text of the Bible.
A more accurate translation is:
1Ti 2:4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
ACCURACY! ACCURACY! We serious Bible students demand ACCURACY!
It is said in the Bible that Fathers should provide for their own families and to not be irritating their offspring.
1Ti 3:5 but if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how will he take care of the church of God ?,
1Ti 5:8 But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household , he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.
Now if the Almighty Father gives these rules for human fathers on earth, would he not be required to abide by those same rules himself. He has allowed 6 billion to be generated on this earth. You could say that he fathered them. Now if he cannot provide for all men; to fulfill his desire for all men to be saved, then he is the greatest failure in the universe and should not be trusted. Ya, Ya, I know, the devil fathered many of them, then who fathered the devil.?
No I cannot believe, that he will wipe off to oblivion six billion to vindicate the desires of an insignificant number of people on earth.
What father would destroy his children so that one or two of them can live?
Somebody does not have an accurate knowledge of the truth, I don’t think it his Him.
belbab
i had no intention to change my life, though i knew it wasn't the truth.
my father said to me "i know its the truth but i can't live it" i told him " i know its not,the truth!
but i can" {he was dfed in 1961} i wasn't ready to lose all my family & friends to live a differt life, besides i thought i had a pretty good life, why change it, a great wife, 2 amazing kids, lots of wonderful friends, a good job {many of my clients j.ws} besides i thought maybe i could help some of them to see the world a little differently.
Hi new boy, welcome here.
I am the guy introspection mentionned in the post above. I have one of the books you mention by Zukov.
I have five copies of the book Power of NOW left of the ten that I bought at wholesale prices. I have sent five to friends. If anyone is interested in reading one, I will sell it at cost or loan it to you for only shipping costs, and if you are really strapped, I will loan it for free and then you can pass it on to someone else.
I have read hundreds of books since the WT cast me out thirty years ago. If you ever want to see what the coming spirituality is in the world, this book, the Power of Now, introduces it for you.
This book has become a best seller, not through advertising or big book chains, but by word of mouth.
Thanks introspection, for introducing it to me.
belbab
every year the question on every dub's lips is: "how many came to the memorial this year?".
well, what do you think will happen this year?.
will there be a 'flattening out' of the increases?
I hope dateline comes on with the pedophilia info, a day before that date. Would that make a difference in attendance?
belbab
hey folks its my birthday, so y'all have a shot of wild turkey for me today.
You mean this is a turkey shoot and we take pot shots at you.
And we only get one shot? Hope I don't miss, what's the prize?
Belbab
i remmeber it being said at mettings that if we didn't do the preaching work then the "stones would cry out".. carn't rememeber where it's from or whether it's a society teaching.. any one remember?
May I interject my understanding of this subject of the stones crying out?
The text is as follows:
Luk 19:37 As soon as He was approaching, near the descent of the Mount of Olives, the whole crowd of the disciples began to praise God joyfully with a loud voice for all the miracles which they had seen,
Luk 19:38 shouting: "BLESSED IS THE KING WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD; Peace in heaven and glory in the highest !"
Luk 19:39 Some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to Him, "Teacher, rebuke Your disciples."
Luk 19:40 But Jesus answered, "I tell you, if these become silent, the stones will cry out!"
Luk 22:2 The chief priests and the scribes were seeking how they might put Him to death; for they were afraid of the people
Luk 22:3 And Satan entered into Judas who was called Iscariot, belonging to the number of the twelve.
Luk 22:4 And he went away and discussed with the chief priests and officers how he might betray Him to them.
Luk 22:5 They were glad and agreed to give him money.
Luk 22:6 So he consented, and began seeking a good opportunity to betray Him to them apart from the crowd.
This situation taking place in Jerusalem, was a very touchy, explosive one. The leaders of the Jews were seeking to capture Jesus and bring him to trial. Here he was entering Jerusalem in a noisy procession, and he was being announced as a KING. It was written that the leaders were afraid of the crowd. They thought the whole of Jerusalem would acclaim him as king. Some of the Pharisees in the crowd who were favourable to Jesus, were afraid and were telling Jesus to cool it.
Jesus said that if the crowd became silent, the stones would cry out. Not that they would cry out with intelligent speech, but there would arise an incident involving stones, stones flying through the air from opposers who would stone him to death. In this figurative sense the stones would cry out, like they did at the time of Stephen. The stones would fly, the people would cry, in rage or terror.
Even today at times there are demonstrations where the authorities are afraid to stop a crowd because of their exuberance and numbers.
Take it or leave it, belbab
some might be following the andrea yates trial (the mother who drowned her 5 children).
the march 18, 2002 issue of newsweek, has an article on page 8, entitled "examining a spiritual leader's influence," that's about the yates trial.
i'll list some quotes from this article:.
Reminds me of the book Wolves among sheep written by James Kostelniuk, The True Story of Murder in a Jehovah's Witness Community. I have an extra copy, if anyone wants to borrow it and then pass it on to others.
Thanks JAVA, we need more revealing posts like this.
belbab
dear friend,.
your talk, what the future holds for us, delivered, i believe, to a select audience of jehovahs witnesses; the twenty pages of which i downloaded from the internet, has raised for me some serious questions and since the scriptures exhort us tomake sure of all things i am writing this open letter to you.
http://www.randytv.com/whatfuturetxt.htm.
Island Woman,
Thanks for your comments.
I have heard many public talks in my Watchtower years but none were so obviously panic stricken and searching for straws to hang onto as this one was.
All their problems would disappear in an instant if they could say whole heartedly the words of Eligah, Take me away, Jah, I am no better than our forefathers., Then eat a little crow food and trek back to Horeb, back to their origins, back to the drawing board.
Compton,
Thanks also for your encouraging feedback. I see from your profile that you have been outside the camp for forty years. I have been there also for 29 years, but woke up about six years before that. I always have been looking for more old timers. E-mail me if you wish, I would like to hear from you.
belbab
