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  Calling all Bethelites

  by Nadsam in

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  when you were at bethel..what sucked most ?breakfast/daytext/table overseer.monday night wt studytuesdays bookstudy at one of the local cong.wednesday evening fieldservicethursdays parts on the service meetingfridays "family evening" / evening fieldservicesaturdays quick build hall construction assistancesundays field service/meeting/late supperdaily sisters housekeeping/snooping through your possessionscar poolsallowance daylaundry day / missing clothing / badly sewed clothingboring libraryfarm duty !!!

  stalls vs $#it vs gardeninginking the press!digging/carpentry/bricklaying/box packing/loadingnasty crotch grabbin roomiesnot gettin sum..except nasty looks from roomieslousy infermary (basic asprin cures all !!!

  )longest pompous a$$ prayers going on and on and on....old anointed bro's ..that pee themselves and need help !assembly sound duty omg!food service overseeingparking attendant workapostate lookout/security work (it does exist guys !

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  belbab

  Now that I'm older, I can imagine they were thinking how Jehovah had provided for them! Actually, Jehovah hadn't provided a damn thing. As usual.

  Lisa, I thought your story was hilarious, but also very revealing and with a touch of irony, pathos etc. to it. I seem to remember, you posted this story before, or has this post been brought back to the top.

  In the hungry thirties, part of a large family, myself and my siblings were picked up each Sunday by an evangelical pastor who had the use of a large furniture truck to pick up country kids and haul them to Sunday school. Our "old man" irreligious, into booze and gambling, thought he would show some appreciation to the lady pastor and give her a pound of homemade butter, prepared from the cream of our only cow. (Us kids grew up on skim milk, cream was for butter).

  When Ms. Rev Pastor, while loading us into the back of the truck, received the gift of butter, she, clapping her hands together, gushed , Praise the Lord, yak, yak yak.

  Later, after returning from Sunday school, our "old man" was still brooding, mumbling because God got the thanks for the gift, and he did not receive any acknowledgement for his donation.

  So too, with the Watch Tower. They establish difficult burning situations for their flock, and do not lift a finger, or accept collect calls in emergencies, and when someone else comes along and snatches the persons out of the trying circumstances. They say, you see, Jehovah takes care of his own, arn't you happy we introduced you to Him.

  belbab, also remembering.
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  Bethel Getting Paranoid, Tightening Screws

  by AlanF in

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  i have it from solid sources that brooklyn and patterson are now recording all incoming telephone calls.. a word to the wise if you have friends there you talk to.. alanf

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  When I first saw this post this morning on Active Topics, I thought, Oh Good, Alan F, is back posting on this board. Then I saw Kent's reply, and looked at the dates.

  I heard from a well known poster on this board, who's been quiet for some months now, that Alan F has been deleted from this board along with Englishman.

  Blackman, thanks for bringing this post back to the top. I was thinking the same, resurrect some of these former posters, and revive their posts up to the present.

  belbab
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  Little old lady who lived in a shoe.

  by peacefulpete in

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  ok, it's been a while since i tossed out a bible inconsistancy.

  this one is from numbers 2:32 and 3:40-51.. numbers 2 says that there was 600,000 males in israel over age 20. numbers 3 says that there were just over 22,000 firstborn males, including those under 20 years old.

  this means that the israelite women each had an average of at least 27 boys.

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  Peaceful Pete and Nark,

  Looks like I was too hasty in my reply. Thanks for setting me straight.

  I have been trying to find out why, Levi only had twenty two thousand compared with all the other sons who had from two to three times more.

  Only thing of interest I could find was Jacob's dying pronouncement upon Levi and Simeon. From the time of Jacob's decent into Egypt til the first census that Moses took in Numbers 1-3 Levi had 22000 and Simeon had 59300. However in the 38 years after the first census til the next (Numbers 26) Levi's number gained about 700 to a total of 23000. while during this same time Simeon decreased from 59300 to 22200 which latter number is approximately the same as Levi. Jacob's pronouncement upon them was: I will disperse them in Jacob and scatter them in Israel. A smaller number could be dispersed in a larger number, but a larger number could not be dispersed in a smaller number.

  belbab
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  Little old lady who lived in a shoe.

  by peacefulpete in

  1. watchtower
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  ok, it's been a while since i tossed out a bible inconsistancy.

  this one is from numbers 2:32 and 3:40-51.. numbers 2 says that there was 600,000 males in israel over age 20. numbers 3 says that there were just over 22,000 firstborn males, including those under 20 years old.

  this means that the israelite women each had an average of at least 27 boys.

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  belbab

  The first number is all the males in 12 tribes, over 20 years of age, probably up to 70 or 80 years of age, because Joshua and Caleb were old men when they went to war. The tribe of Joseph was divided into two tribes that is why there is twelve tribes plus the tribe of Levi.

  The second number is of the thirteenth tribe, the tribe of Levi.. One commentary explains the smaller number: The figure likely includes only those born since the exodus, when the requirement ot sanctify the first born was given. (See Exodus 13:1,2)

  belbab
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  Luke 19:36-40 — "If these remained silent..." Organized?

  by AuldSoul in

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  would stones need a central organization?

  a governing body?

  someone to report their field activity to?.

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  Would stones need a central organization? A Governing Body? Someone to report their field activity to?

  Yes and no. Some thoughts to consider.

  Jesus was riding into Jerusalem riding on a donkey. His followers were hailing him as king.

  Pharisees and leaders were afraid of Romans, that the status quo would be disturbed.

  They tell Jesus to cool it, and to tell the crowd to shut up.

  Jesus said no, if he told them to be quiet, stones would cry out.

  Did he mean that the pebbles and stones would suddenly start miracously singing and dancing in the streets? No I don't think so. He was figureatively saying that an incidence would occur involving stones, the the crying out would be from the ones throwing them. If the boisterous crowd stopped their jubilation, violence would occur from opposing sources. Think of many demonstrations in our day where the police and authorities cannot act because because of the crowds. (think France in past month)

  It is said in other texts that the leaders of Jerusalem, were afraid to take Jesus in broad daylight for fear of the crowds. They did it in the darkness. (No street lights in those days). The opposing crowd show up before Pontius Pilate. No doubt organized by the governing body.

  Was field service reports filled out. Consider the stoning of Stephen. His bloody garments were brought and laid at the feet of Saul of Tarsus.

  Yeah, definitely, organization and field service reports would be made.

  belbab
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  It Seems That My Children Are Not Trained

  by Gary1914 in

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  i just returned home from the kingdom hall.

  i am an elder.. after the meeting all the elders were called to the back room.

  i thought this was an impromptu elders' meeting.

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  Gary2005

  You say that your wife was crying, you observed it and took notice of it, and I am sure you comforted her.

  You say you are tired and exhausted and have to lie down.

  You listen to your own body, and take action and lie down.

  Listen please,

  If God , the universe, pays attention to each little sparrow that falls to the ground, do you think he is not observant of the little children? You listen and observe the feelings, emotions and state of your own body as well as you wife's. What about the agitation of your children? The message coming from them is loud and clear!

  Who in hell has the audacity to claim that the sound of the babble coming from the platform of the sterile environment of a Kingdom hall, takes an overwhelming precedence over the cry and figiting of little children?

  Listen and pay attention to WHAT IS SO, not to the what someone says should be.

  Take this as a loving clout on the back of the head to wake you up to reality.

  Take it also as an angry swift kick in the ass to the so called arrogant "glorious ones" who subject you and your family to the third degree.

  belbab
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  God telling us something through coincidences?

  by jst2laws in

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  just a few minutes ago i happen to look down at my odometer and it was rolling up the last zero for 144,000.

  at the same moment i looked to my right and i happen to be passing the kingdum hall.

  is god sending me a message????

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  HELP

  I am stuck at post 666. I just wrote post 667 and it didn't register. I want to see what happens to this one. will it be 668 or 667?

  What I wrote in post 667 was:

  Who says that God does not have a sense of humour? Or maybe it is EL DIABLO himself?

  belbab, THE BEAUTY AND THE BEAST.
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  God telling us something through coincidences?

  by jst2laws in

  1. jw
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  just a few minutes ago i happen to look down at my odometer and it was rolling up the last zero for 144,000.

  at the same moment i looked to my right and i happen to be passing the kingdum hall.

  is god sending me a message????

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  What in hell is going on?

  Just2laws, starts this thread and asks if anyone ever passed a Kingdom hall and his speedometer read 666.

  On Oct 29 over one month ago I replied with a post giving an experience regarding Flight 666 from Rome.

  This morning I visited this site and had a message from someone who asked me about Rev 15:2 and referred to my post about 666. I couldn't remember any post about 666 and wracked my brains trying to remember. Finally I remember writing a post about 666 and located it.

  I don't usually keep track of the number of my posts, but when I went back to the original thread I was drawn to the number post 646 of 665 posts.

  THIS POST I AM WRITING IS POST NUMBER 666
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  Things That Can't Be Reconciled by a Loving God

  by Black Man in

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  my list:.

  (1) mass genocide.

  (2) slavery.

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  Black Man,

  After reading your understandable bitch list against God, methinks that you have spent too much time sitting in windowless, featureless Kingdom Halls and soaking up future futile promises and vocalizing emotionless dirges. Or maybe it was in the dungeons of Bedlam, Brooklyn.

  Does Satan really have carte blanche over all the earth? Does he have carte blanche over your life?

  In a book I was reading a couple of days ago, it pointed out that "Satan" has disappeared from the vocabulary of modern man. Who gives him existance in our times? Who personifies evil in our day? Who says "Wait on Jehovah?" and does nothing to alleviate, and turn away evil in our day?

  Recently, on the news, it was the twenty-fifth anniversary since a woman riding on a bus refused to give her seat over to a white man. Did she give Satan carte blanche over her life?

  In your post you use the words, choosing, allowing, choosing allowing and attribute them to God. Did he not give us the right to choose, and make allowances? Has he not given us the choice of resisting evil, and choose the good.?

  In considering your list I can think of innumerable instances where people risked and gave up their lives, combatting the atrocious situations you list.

  Number 10, Kingdom Melodies, Sing me some blues, man, sing me some blues.
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  Hell, Forgivness, and Redemption

  by gumby in

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  2. beliefs

  many christians today believe in a literal place of torment/torture which will be the eternal abiding place of the ungodly/wicked/non-believer.. here's my questions.

  lets say a person ends up in hell and is tortured for 500 years.

  this person has been in a no let up agony state continually.

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  That`s the eternal question, of course, when things like holocaust,Hiroshima, Cambodia etc, happens. Where was God?

  Where was I?

  At the time of the Holocaust and Hiroshima I was a young kid, located on Pacific northwest coast. My first three years at school were in a small three room country school with a total enrollment of about 100 students from grade one to grade eight. Seventy-five percent of them were Japanese kids.

  Movements of people during the war led our family to the bigger city, and the Japenese families were shipped eastward to isolation cold and misery for the duration of the war. (One of the best award winning stories I have ever read, was written by Joy Ogawa, called Obasan. As a young girl she was exiled to the east, while her parents were experienced slow agonizing death at Hiroshima, because just before the war broke out, they had returned to H. for a visit and were unable to return to Canada.)

  I am ashamed of my youthful attitude when the mushroom cloud was announced over Hiroshima. Like many at that time, I cheered and was exhilerated that the war was over.

  I am also ashamed of the cold-blooded heartlessness of our then Prime Minister who refused to give refuge to any Jews, at the time of the Holocaust. Let the memory of him be Accursed.

  Where was God?

  I thank God that evidence of attrocities are recorded to this day, in writings, diaries, photos, movies etc. Because of the record, my attitudes, and also the attitudes of millions of others have changed. No longer do we learn war anymore.

  As for the perpratators of attrocities, the evidence, the smoke of their torments continue for all time.

  belbab