Posts by belbab

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The BIG WOW----THE BIG VOW----In memory of+++++++

by belbab in

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i have just received today my three copies of the blood essay from baylor today.

the title for this thread comes from the expression of another poster, who said, i have received my copies....wow!the big vow expresses my determination to use this essay outside the legal system in the pubic domain and raise awareness of the malevolant blood policy of the watchtower.

public opinion is my jury, the judge is heaven itself along with anyone else who wishes to give judgement on this case.

belbab

Here is and interesting quote regarding the ridiculous arguments of Jehovah's Witnesses. The article explains itself.

Questia Media America, Inc. www.questia.com
However, if the Christian Church contains tactless and misguided interpreters of God's message, for really dottiness you have to look at Jehovah's Witnesses.

In a groundbreaking operation, doctors in Leeds have carried out a kidney transplant between a man and his wife without either of them having a blood transfusion. This is because they are Witnesses and giving or receiving blood is forbidden by the Bible.

But not, it seems, giving or receiving kidneys. I asked a Jehovah's Witness friend to explain this bizarre contradiction and was told that although the Bible bans the receipt of blood, it doesn't say anything about receiving someone else's organs, so therefore it's all right.

Could that perhaps be because organ donation wasn't an available option among the Hebrews several millenia ago? But then, neither were blood transfusions. This suggests that God's edict, if you choose to accept it, had more to do with consuming blood than transferring it medically.
So following that line of logic, does that mean Jehovah's Witnesses are vegetarians? Well, actually, no. They might like a steak, but they leave the gravy.

While I'm pleased that the Leeds transplant couple have found a way around their dilemma of faith, the irrationally-selective beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses are as nutty as they come.
-1- belbab

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JW Ben: Judicial Committees

by AuldSoul in

jw ben,.

you said you will answer questions a long as no one becomes rude.

i can't really guarantee that no one on the forum will become rude in this thread, but i can guarantee that i won't, so long as i am treated with respect.. from my research, i have found no scriptural basis for the following aspects of judicial committees:elders acting in place of or on behalf of the individual members congregation in determining who is guilty and what the punishment should be.conducting secret hearings, without allowing witnesses to the proceedings or allowing the proceedings to be recorded.making a statement of the outcome (sentencing) and expecting congregants to abide by the elder's decision whether they know the facts of the matter or not.ruling in favor of shunning anyone who voluntarily leaves, i.e.

belbab

JW Ben, aka Son of a JW I would like to cut you some slack.

It looks like many here want a reply from you for many different questions.

You must be very busy, and are a bit overwhelmed. It is like a reporters scrum, questions coming from all directions. Ask everyone to put up their hand and then you answer one at a time.

Now this thread is about judicial committees.

So off the top of my head and paraphrasing some texts I would like you to hold in your boggened noggin these two points.

In ancient Israel, the elders held office at the gates of cities, There they held court, they could watch all strangers, commerce and problems from within the city, and what is coming towards the city. It was all open to the public, citizens and strangers, all the gossip, news, announcements business, legal affairs were done there. How come judicial committees, are held in the back rooms, in in my time, in the basements of KHs. Why the secrecy?

Did not Paul say, reprove before all onlookers, the erring ones?

No rush on this one, take all the time you want.

belbab

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A Caterpillar's Diary

by jst2laws in

if you are critical of spirituality you will find plenty of material at which to poke fun.

if you are in a mystical/spiritual mood you might enjoy it.

may i tell you about my caterpillar friends?

belbab

Float, Float Float your leaf

Gently down the stream

Merrily, Merrily, Merrily

Life is but a dream.

Sail, Sail, Sail your leaf

Far across the sea

Sadly, Sadly, Sadly

The sea is all you'll see

Sink, Sink, Sink your float

Weave ashore your tomb

Joyfully, Joyfully, Joyfully

You'll fly high away at noon

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reexamine.org has District Convention Operations Manual and PSAs

by reexaminer in

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www.reexamine.org now has two new items available from our downloads page: .

(1) district convention operations manual.

(2) public service announcements.

belbab

I just finished reading the Convention Instructions. Whooooo!

The borgers are really going to be buzzing like a swarm of bees around their private parts.

Notice how much space is given to accounts?

Notice how tight wad they are about expenses?

Notice how much they protect their ass? Liability? Insurance claims?

Income Tax? Sales Tax? Charity Status?

This one is a keeper, not a sleeper. What you hear whispered in the back rooms, Crow like a rooster sitting on top of the manure pile.

belbab, reliving trauma

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Loyalty and betrayal

by Narkissos in

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those are serious issues in the mind of any (future) xjw.. actually we're on an exceptional spot in life to ponder on the pitfalls of "loyalty" and the heartbreaking necessity of some "betrayal".. we can rationalise it by saying we are loyal to a higher instance (god, the "truth" or whatever).

yet the feeling (and sometimes guilt) of betrayal may be lingering in our minds.. may i remind those few lines from friedrich nietzsche (thus spake zarathustra):.

when zarathustra had spoken these words, he paused, like one who had not yet said his last word; and long did he balance the staff doubtfully in his hand.

belbab

Nark and All,

I have read the following as a "Newfie" joke, and also as a "Blonde" joke. A father draws a circle in the sand around his son and says don't go out of that circle until I tellyou, Then there comes various punch lines.

But then, reading old Sufi traditions it relates the same, a father draws a line around his son in the sand, and tells him not to leave the circle until he says so.

I believe this is a riddle, the father does not come back and tell him to leave, he has to rebel against the sayings of his own father.

Nature does the same, the fat baby robin, flutters to the ground, and sits there, the parents remain at a distance shrieking wildly, warning him to get going, warning that the young one is in a precarious position. You won't find that young robin there on the ground the next day.

What Nietche said is also expressed in the Bible. Jesus had to leave his disciples, they had to realize that he had given them the teachings that they could stand on their own two feet.

Your comments about betrayal intrigue me, and opens up new avenues of understanding that I have to explore before commenting.

belbab

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WOMEN YOU HAVE TO READ THE LATEST BY P.O.

by juni in

a friend told me about the latest p.o.

talk.

he said that women seduce men into fornication 9 times out of 10 - they are jezebels he stated.. that pompous ass!!!!!!

belbab

Juni,

Are you sure the PO didn't say that women seduced nine men outta ten,

and he felt left out

Cause he was P~~izzed~~ O ff

Cause he was the tenth man that didn't make the cut.

belbab

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Blood Issue: Will Literature Be Destroyed?

by metatron in

i understand that one immediate effect of the "big news" about the watchtower's possible liability on blood transfusion will be.

that elders are ordered to destroy all copies of previous directives on blood.

however, this limited response seems inadequate.

belbab

Skyman,

I remember this from somewhere also. Do you have references.

It is important that copies of all these books, letters, documents be preserved. Not just as evidence for JW members to read, but may be evidence in eventual court proceedings on blood, child abuse, tax evasion and anything else.

If we publicly show, even on this forum, that we have access to all their writings, that will be a

deterrance for them not to authorize destruction of evidence.

belbab

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Divine Comedy test

by belbab in

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friends

here is a test you may find interesting:.

http://www.4degreez.com/misc/dante-inferno-test.mv.

i am going to go in limbo, my wife always said i was a goody-goody.. belbab

belbab

Hey, how about applying this test to the Watchtower and see where they are headed.

Belbab

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Do modern day Jews take blood transfusions

by MsMcDucket in

i would love to hear from a rabbi his take on god's commandments on blood and how it relates/or not to blood transfusions.

belbab

From a Jewish perspective:

http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/9088.htm

3/ (And this one to me is the essential problem) If we place the
importance of blood over and above sustaining life itself, then what
are we saying about life? For to allow a person to die because of a
lack of blood, then life must be the secondary to blood. Rather than
celebrating birth and death we should be mourning over every bleeding
cut and shedding tears everytime we defecate. Birth and death are
penultimate, blood is supreme. According to your Christian faith, when
a person sins, is it his life that is required of him or his blood?
For heaven's sake blood is for life, not life is for blood.

belbab

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Does the Watchtower Society Monitor this Board???

by integ in

maybe this has been addressed before, but after reading certain comments about people being "outed", i wonder if the wts really monitors this site?

if so, to what extent?

or is it just individual elders etc.?.

belbab

Do they monitor this site?

No they post on it whenever someone touches their eyeball. They have their spin doctors.

Sometimes their chariot wheels squeek a little, you better get some axle grease brudders, your wheels might fall off.

belbab