Posts by wiegel

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Outright Lie in the Reasoning Book

by PaNiCAtTaCk in

under the topic "are jehovahs witnesses a sect or a cult?

the last sentence of the first paragraph says "they do not look to any human, but rather to jesus christ, as their leader.".

if an active witness were to make this exact statement to an elder, he or she would throw up a red flag!

wiegel

doofdaddy - i just love your orange anology! with your permission, i plan to use it to describe the "flip flop" that used to drive me crazy - literally! trudy

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Watchtower Gives Up Explaining 607 BCE Date!

by VM44 in

this is a very important observation, that the watchtower has not tried to explain in print why 607 bce is the year for the destruction of jerusalem for the last 17 years!!!.

all that the watchtower has done over most of the last two decades is to repeat over and over the year "607bce" in its publications as if it is an unquestioned fact!.

the last time an explaination for the year was attempted by the watchtower was in 1988 when the "insight" volumes were published, but since then, no explaination for the validity of the year has appeared in print.. this must mean something, but what?

wiegel

yup, they are celebrated scholars alright, but scholars of what???? trudy (of the "I can't believe it happened to me" class)

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Aren't we great? JW's lead the way at the Astrodome

by Bonnie_Clyde in

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a letter that was just passed on to me by e-mail.

it's important to follow the elder's directions:.

hi don,.

wiegel

Interesting note from TV the other night. Whilst trying to sort out what went awry in rendering aid to the victims, it has been noted that the BEST and most EFFICIENT help is coming from religious groups. They did not hilight one or the other, but the help provided by individual religious groups was commended. So, the model is effective and the borg doesn't really stand out in this regard - oh, except that they are the only ones with the truth, that's a given..............ooops trudy

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Quotes story is on popular news website!!!!!!

by rebel8 in

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sorry for starting yet another "quotes" thread, but i thought this was cool/unusual news.

i submitted it and they published it!

www.fark.com watchtower sues webmaster for $100k, claims quoting their literature causes them loss of reputation and embarrassment.

wiegel

So, they may be able to dance cirles around the r&f with euphemisitic double-talk, but when the bottom line is that they are embarrassed by their own literature, those with ears had better "listen".

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Aren't we great? JW's lead the way at the Astrodome

by Bonnie_Clyde in

jw
friends

a letter that was just passed on to me by e-mail.

it's important to follow the elder's directions:.

hi don,.

wiegel

Can't you just see Jesus helping out only his twelve in a time of disaster? In any time? And yes, I believe the story, but as most JW stories go, it is only "part" of the whole story. The part that makes them feel good and feel superior. What a tiny world they live in. Sad......

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Watchtower printeries operating at only 50% capacity

by truthseeker in

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posted from channelc.org.

makes you think!!!!.

in the final talk at our district convention we were told that the printing plants are working at only 50% capacity (due, it was implied, by divine intervention).. the thought was expressed that this may be because there is going to be a massive increase in numbers coming into the organisation requiring more printing.. as we all know, growth has been minimal over many years now, so the question, where is this growth to come from, and if it comes, how are we going to stop the massive haemorrhage in brothers leaving?.

wiegel

What I find so interesting is that IF they truly believe that they have life-saving information for all the nations, why don't they publish it on the internet like they mean it. Spending money on paper and presses to meet the growing need is so yesterday.

Why can't they publish the schedules for their meetings (open to the public), conventions (open to the public), memorials (open to the public) on the web? Why can't you download the articles for study from the web? It would save them millions of dollars and the earth a lot of trees. The magazines end up in closets and laudromats and the trash before they are even read.

A friend of mine went to watchtower.org the other night and said "WTF?" "Who are they talking to? Sounds like they are talking to a bunch of retards." Any intellectual appeal that once was a part of the org is long gone. The brain drain has taken its toll and it is showing.

But it is true that if they make their one money-making commodity FREE on the internet, well I guess that would be bad for business. Where is the biblical basis for running a huge conglomerate to make disciples? And if it has ANYthing to do with reaching the "masses", then they are just stupid, because the masses are here. Oh right, they aren't stupid, they're scared.

PS If you don't know this, if you try to send them an email, you have to fill out a form on their site with all of your contact info. Then they tell you in their privacy statement how much they respect your privacy and won't violate it!!!! LOL!!!!! I never saw such a bunch of big babies in my life.

amen

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Did Your Experience As A Witness REALLY "Damage" You?

by Englishman in

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or was the experience just a glitch that can be overcome?.

englishman.

wiegel

OldSoul - you touched a nerve:

I am damaged. I am emotionally ill-equipped for a world without structure, order, and stable expectations. I am, in many ways, retarded by my long-term exposure to the teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses.

so I'll just second that emotion. 25 years in 5 years out 54 years old trudy

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"This just can't last much longer...."

by BrendaCloutier in

i went over and visited my parents today.

my mom broke her hip while we were in hawaii, and i've been mostly house/bed ridden myself since we got home.

so i finally got over there today.. we talked a little about the hurricane, which was on the news she turned off.

wiegel

It IS frustrating to try to get back "into" the mindset where you would be agreeing all along, because you NOW realize how flawed their reasoning is. Is it ignorance or arrogance that causes them to think they are the first humans to live in a time when bad things are happening on the earth? Mt Everest used to be under the ocean; our planet is "alive" people, and we should be kinder to it - all of us! ~sigh~

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