Posts by Kaput

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1975 - serves you right. No extra brownie points sycophants

by Spectrum in

this issue came up with my jw nephew(17).

i jumped at the chance at using it to prove that the org is a fraud but then the focus changed slightly.

i said, "do you know how many people's lives were disrupted by this event.

Beth Sarim Deeds and transfers

by Lady Lee in

thanks to apostanator i have received copies of the deeds and transfers to beth sarim.

the pages are not the best quality so i have enhanced them to make sure we can read what they say.

i have scanned them at 300dpi and initially saved them as tif files.

Robert Martin seems to be a "gopher"/middleman for the WBTS in this transaction. The following is Martin's account of his role in the matter, taken from the March 19th, 1930 copy of The Golden Age magazine:

It is not always convenient to get a comfortable place to live when it is necessary to rent a house for a few months. For the past two years I and other brethren close to Brother Rutherford have urged upon him the necessity of a house in San Diego where he can live and do the work that is so necessary to be done. Last year, in company with a few other brethren, we pressed this matter upon him, at that time the Lord having provided the means for the building of the house so that it would not be a burden on the Society. He finally consented that the house might be built only upon condition that it should be exclusively for the use of the Lord's work, henceforth and for ever, and not for any private gain for any one. In October, 1929, I went to California and acquired the title to the ground in my name and entered into a contract with the builder, and the house was constructed in my name. I again went to California at the beginning of the year 1930 to close up the building arrangements. I am happy to have any part in this because I know what it means for the Lord's work.
I feel sure that the Lord loves Brother Rutherford as much as he loved David. David built a house for himself and afterwards thought about building one for the Lord. After repeated urging by loyal brethren the San Diego house was built, but Brother Rutherford refused to have it for himself except to use it for the Lord's work. A deed was made conveying the title to the house. The deed was written by Brother Rutherford himself. I am certain there is no other deed to any piece of property like it under the sun. I am grateful to the Lord that I had anything to do with it.

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Revelation 12:1

by Honesty in

who is this woman?.

rev 12:1-5 a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and a crown of 12 stars on her head.

she was pregnant and cried out in labor and agony to give birth.

Kaput

Is the woman Mary, the mother of Jesus (above: a Roman Catholic picture of Mary)?

It's actually Mary Baker Eddy.

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Desolation of Jerusalem

by Alwayshere in

using the wts's dates in the january 1.1965 page 29 : nabonidus= 17 years.

add 17 to 539=556, neriglissar==4 years, add 4 to 556=560, evil-marduk=2 years, add 2 to560=562, nebuchadnezzar=43 years, add 43 to 562 =605.

the bible at 2 kings 25: 8 and 9 says "in the 19th year of king nebuchadnezzar the servant of the king came to jerusallem and burned the house of jehovah.

Kaput

Any constructed chronology for the Neo-Babylonian period is fraught with problems because of numerous gaps and conflicting data when one compares it to carefully crafted biblical chronology by celebrated WT scholars.

Just because celebrated WT scholars and scholar does not use or agree with all of Josephus' chronology does not mean that we cannot use part or some of it.

Ahhhh...so THIS is how things are carefully crafted!

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Do JW's consider Jesus to be their saviour?

by Bumble Bee in

this coming from a person raised "in the truth".. recently i shared a scripture with my sister - she is ill and will have to have some pretty serious surgery.

i shared isa 53:4,5 with her.

(this is the niv version for those that don't have a bible handy.).

Kaput

Any emphasis placed on Jesus as "Savior" will meet with raised eyebrows among JWs. If there is no inclusion of Jehovah in your expression, the "hackles go up". The following is the "party line" as to who the "Savior" is for JWs from Insight on the Scriptures, Vol.2, pg. 873:

Along with his role as Savior, Jehovah is also the "Repurchaser"." (Isa 49:26; 60:16) In the past he redeemed his people Israel from captivity. In delivering Christians from sin's bondage, he does the repurchasing through his Son Jesus Christ (1Jo 4:14), Jehovah's provision for salvation, who is therefore exalted as "Chief Agent and Savior." (Ac 5:31) Accordingly, Jesus Christ can rightly be called "our Savior," even though he performs the salvation as the agent of Jehovah. (Tit 1:4; 2Pe 1:11) The name Jesus, given to God's Son by angelic direction, means "Jehovah Is Salvation," for, said the angel, "he will save his people from their sins." (Mt 1:21; Lu 1:31) This name points out that Jehovah is the Source of salvation, accomplished through Jesus. For this reason, we find the Father and the Son spoken of together in connection with salvation. --- Tit 2:11-13; 3:4-6.

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Stumped 'em!!!

by candysearching in

i had a conversation (debate) with my disfellowshipped husband about "the truth" that he tries so hard to protect.

me: hey, babe, can you tell me again why jw do not celebrate birthdays?.

hubby: well, only two are mentioned in the bible, and on both, men were killed.. me: well, herod and pharoah killed men whenever they felt like it right?

Kaput

I'm surprised there hasn't been some New ~~Shite~~ Light on the oral sex front. Those GB guys sure look like they'd benefit from some.

When they start appointing 18-yr.-olds as GB members, you'll see this change.

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Who really is the Watchtower

by Honesty in

jw
friends

bible and tract society's god?

Kaput

I got one of these!

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Atheism: Is it the created and controlled opposition to Jehovah's Witness?

by Rig Boy in

jw
friends

i will lead the reader to first observe a model of the hegelian dialectic which is a key psychological entrapment of the powers that be.

the dialectic takes this trilateral 'managed conflict' process one step further.

then the process starts all over again: thesis vs. antithesis results in synthesis.

Kaput

ooooh, can I have some maidens too?

Here's one for ya, Gretchen!

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Revelation 12:1

by Honesty in

who is this woman?.

rev 12:1-5 a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and a crown of 12 stars on her head.

she was pregnant and cried out in labor and agony to give birth.

Kaput

The Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, in the Revelation - Its Grand Climax publication claims that she represents Jehovah's wifely organisation. In other words, they claim it is themselves.
In reality, who does she represent?

Whatsamatta? Ya don't believe 'em? O ye of little faith!

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What does the word "Colitas" in the song Hotel California" mean?

by gumby in

i know of many interpretations of the meaning of that word in that particular song.

do you know what it means?

gumby

Kaput

What I'd like to know, is what does it mean to "speak of the pompitous of love"?

http://www.gangster-of-love.com/pompitous.html