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  Raymond Franz and UN

  by kpax in

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  can anyone ask raymond franz what he knows about the un involvement?.

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  biblexaminer

  All this talk about what Ray knows, or doesn't...

  Ray is just a guy, like you and me, (sorry girls) and he needs to eat breath and sleep. A little enjoyment thrown in would be good.

  Ray has written lots, as some have correctly pointed out. He is interested in getting what he's written into as many hands as possible.

  He was not involved in any "UN thing", so what's to write? Any one of us can write UNUNUNUNUNUN. Who's listening?

  For Ray to "write something" wouldn't matter any more than if you or I wrote something. He's written lots about what he HAD something to do with and needs time for other things now.

  But, if some of you folks need for Ray to write something, then in my next letter to Ray, (and he always responds even though I told him there was no need) I will tell him to write a sentence or two about the UN thing. I might even write it for him and he can just copy it when he writes back. Then I will post it.

  Sarcastic? Yes, but for those who insist that his writing of something will make the difference, that's only fitting.

  Ray does not have 50 Reuters reporters on his doorstep just panting at the thought that he will emerge from his lair to impress the world with his wisdom!

  Ray is, as I said earlier on, a guy... like the rest of us. And to my knowledge, the only thing he held back when he wrote CofC, was information about Chitty and Greenlees. And in ISOCF he mentioned their disgusting habits. So what's left?

  Hey, we all want the tower to crumble. But ray ain't gonna bring it down. He chipped at the rock and it's cracking. He's led the way. Now it's up to the rest of us.

  So, for the "Ray's gotta say something" crowd, GET OVER IT!
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  The UN Affiliation: Likely Denouement?

  by JosephAlward in

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  ive found the un affiliation threads very interesting, but ive also expressed the view that this issue will have virtually no effect on jw membership.

  i have at least two reasons for believing this.. first, after reading w. j. schnells 1957 book, thirty years a watchtower slave, in which the author describes how the watchtower used negative publicity to increase membership, im now of the opinion that continued commentary on this matter may only serve to foster an even greater conviction on the part of rank and file jws that they are being persecuted, and they will increase their efforts to recruit members; this will offset what i think will be a miniscule number of defections by those who will feel betrayed because of the un affiliation.

  the reason why i think there will be few defections is described below.. second, i believe that the watchtower can easily defend itself.

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  As I told you before Alward, your brain is burnt.

  You come 'round here flashing your education like a badge and saying "it won't work"... you're a fool. It will work and is already succeeding.

  Why don't you go back to school. It seems you still haven't learned.
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  The UN Affiliation: Likely Denouement?

  by JosephAlward in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  ive found the un affiliation threads very interesting, but ive also expressed the view that this issue will have virtually no effect on jw membership.

  i have at least two reasons for believing this.. first, after reading w. j. schnells 1957 book, thirty years a watchtower slave, in which the author describes how the watchtower used negative publicity to increase membership, im now of the opinion that continued commentary on this matter may only serve to foster an even greater conviction on the part of rank and file jws that they are being persecuted, and they will increase their efforts to recruit members; this will offset what i think will be a miniscule number of defections by those who will feel betrayed because of the un affiliation.

  the reason why i think there will be few defections is described below.. second, i believe that the watchtower can easily defend itself.

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  Now, I am not a brain doctor, but I can read and learn like the next guy. A few things that the good brain doctors of the world have taught me show that there are different kinds of mindsets in folks.

  They say that there are different "types" of personalities. Type "a" is so and so... etc. What affects one JW, so as to make him/her wake up, can prove insufficient for the next. What is ineffectual on one can prove to be a bullet for yet another.

  What we would all like to see is something that is completely effective on all JWs. Something so henious that all personality "types" of JWs will awake to the truth.

  So far, the UN thingy has come the closest. And I think the interfaith thing is right up there too.

  For instance, I tell my Dad all things, and he is now an anti-orger like most informed ones. But when I sent him the link to the interfaith group in NYC where the WTS has asked to be part, well that hit and he even showed my Mom. He was very enthusiastic about it.

  My wife, well she is on the edge. I am preparing things for the day I show her more, and I KNOW this, that the interfaith thing is going to hit her hard. Other things don't, but this will.

  Reason, ...HYPOCRISY. Dubs can't stand it. The may not be aware of it, and so it can be ignored. Or perhaps it's a tiny hypocrisy ....like the elders making a rule and breaking it themselves.... so they surpress. But when it's blatent hypocrisy, like going to a website for interfaith, which for all intents and purposes would be viewed by most dubs as an apostate site, and finding that the WTS was there 'participating' in online hyposrisy.

  Well, I know that if I can get my wife to see, see see it then she would flip. It would affect her. Yet I am not ignorant. There are those dubs, usually newer ones, who would make excuse for this connection too.

  I find that these things, Rays's books, the UN and interfaith thing, Mexico VS Malawi, these affect long-time dubs but do almost nothing for the new ones.

  I believe that dubs need to chase the carrot for a while, whaste some years of their life, and have been pounded over the head with the WTS's self-righteousness for a good long while, before they appreciate the truth and see the HYPOCRISY.

  My wife is almost there.
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  OFFICIAL-WT&AWAKE SUBSCRIPTIONS NO MORE

  by lookin in

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  it is official in usa.

  the announcement was made at the service meeting.. letter read due to cost of postage...once your subsription expires it will not be renewed.

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  biblexaminer

  Lisa, you "pretend" too? Carry on woman!!

  Tips on how to start a magazine route.

  1) Get some mags.
  2) Get some territory.
  3) Go to territory with mags.
  4) Put magazine in door.
  5) Run away.
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  Raymond Franz and UN

  by kpax in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  can anyone ask raymond franz what he knows about the un involvement?.

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  biblexaminer

  I spoke to him on the phone two weeks ago... he is keeping tabs on the whole affair but didn't seem overly intested.
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  New York Times & UN/WTS

  by biblexaminer in

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  new york times december 15, 2001 .

  in a startling revelation, the watchtower bible and tract society of brooklyn ny, parent organization to the jehovah's witness religion, was exposed for a stark contradiction in their religious practices.. it was revealed this week by the guardian (a leading uk newspaper) that the governing body of the watchtower religion had secretly erected a christmas tree in celebration of the festive season.

  when the facts were made public this week, the watchtower quickly, and quietly, removed the tree to another location.. paul gilles, spokesman for the watchtower in great briton, wrote a letter to the guardian, in which he stated that the "tree was in no way secret" and that it was "necessary to gain access to the un library".

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  True... as long as the point is made that what the WTS is saying and her devotes' is hocus pocus...
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  Divorce? Help please.

  by Mulan in

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  we have a close relative who has left her jw husband.

  he is extremely controlling, and emotionally abusive.

  their children are grown.

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  Tell her to prepare some information. If he is willing to take a serious look at the REAL TRUTH, then maybe, perhaps, love can start anew. Nut this time based on REAL TRUTH.

  If he refuses to review the REAL TRUTH, then she should tell him that HE has made the decision to dis-associate himself from the marriage arrangemant.
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  New York Times & UN/WTS

  by biblexaminer in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  new york times december 15, 2001 .

  in a startling revelation, the watchtower bible and tract society of brooklyn ny, parent organization to the jehovah's witness religion, was exposed for a stark contradiction in their religious practices.. it was revealed this week by the guardian (a leading uk newspaper) that the governing body of the watchtower religion had secretly erected a christmas tree in celebration of the festive season.

  when the facts were made public this week, the watchtower quickly, and quietly, removed the tree to another location.. paul gilles, spokesman for the watchtower in great briton, wrote a letter to the guardian, in which he stated that the "tree was in no way secret" and that it was "necessary to gain access to the un library".

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  biblexaminer

  For those who missed the point. I was not printing satire, that is, for entertainment purposes.

  I was attempting to put the whole UN thing in context.

  There are those who are defending the WTS with it's UN connection. This little illustration was meant to help these ones see how stupid it is to defend the WTS.

  This "story" can help blinded eyes open.

  Does the UN require a "tree"... that is, does the UN require NGO affiliation for access to library material?

  Of course not. But this illutrates how foolish the WTS defense looks, when it's put in context.
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  I Got My Book!!!

  by sweetone2377 in

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  2. friends

  it's been a while since i've posted here.

  but i am just so excited.

  i ordered a copy of crisis of conscience from borders and just picked it up.

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  biblexaminer

  The first time I glanced into COC, I was in a library, thinking that at any moment, an elder would walk around the corner and confront me.

  Well, guess what. An elder DID walk around the corner just as I was getting up to look for any more books. SHOCK! You can't imagine.

  All I could think, as I went numb, was how the hell is HE here...?

  I was with another ro, my best friend. He had the book in his hand as he walked around the corner and BHAM! there was the elder. He shook hands and I took over as he scampered away to lose the book ANYWHERE.

  It seems we got away with it, but I had the evil eye on me for a while.

  I did write down the address of Ray's, so I ordered the book, and then ISOCF and then GTR and then Last Days... and then.... and then...
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  New York Times & UN/WTS

  by biblexaminer in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  new york times december 15, 2001 .

  in a startling revelation, the watchtower bible and tract society of brooklyn ny, parent organization to the jehovah's witness religion, was exposed for a stark contradiction in their religious practices.. it was revealed this week by the guardian (a leading uk newspaper) that the governing body of the watchtower religion had secretly erected a christmas tree in celebration of the festive season.

  when the facts were made public this week, the watchtower quickly, and quietly, removed the tree to another location.. paul gilles, spokesman for the watchtower in great briton, wrote a letter to the guardian, in which he stated that the "tree was in no way secret" and that it was "necessary to gain access to the un library".

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  biblexaminer

  Now, when I write a spoof, I get a chuckle.

  But I get a bellie laugh when somebody thinks, even after reading it through, that it was an attempt to be anything else.