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Is Ray Franz still living?
by hungry4life ina friend of mine has been sharing her doubts about the organization with me for the last year.
she read both of ray franz's books and found that they were interesting and dealt with many of the questions she had.
she then wrote to the society anonymously and explained why she could not in good conscience preach regarding 1914 ( she used my p.o.
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Is Ray Franz still living?
by hungry4life ina friend of mine has been sharing her doubts about the organization with me for the last year.
she read both of ray franz's books and found that they were interesting and dealt with many of the questions she had.
she then wrote to the society anonymously and explained why she could not in good conscience preach regarding 1914 ( she used my p.o.
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biblexaminer
I write him occasionally. He has always responded. I will call him on the telephone next week and ask him if he minds that I share our correspondence.
I am still in the org with responsibilities. I am in a tight spot with my wife, but thank God I made some headway with her this past weekend. Because of my situation, I think he felt the need to offer me some encouraging words, which were and alsways will be much appreciated.
Celia above said correctly about his condition. But he's still full of fire.
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The 1914 generation is back for 2002
by Skimmer inthe 1914 generation is back for 2002.. that's right.
some people who were alive in 1914 will still be around to see the big a according to the 2002 theocratic ministry school outline.
i downloaded the 4.8 mbyte zip file the other day and was looking for references to 1914.. from section number four of the june 17, 2002 entry (page 112):.
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biblexaminer
Weel, I will always be the first to point out the stupidity in NY, but sorry, this is an incorrect reference.
The SCHEDULE says,
No. 4: What Beliefs....
This means that the material stops short of par. 8
(rs p. 199 par. 2-p. 200 par. 7)If anyone wants a scan of the original, I will be happy to put it up.
So, lets keep looking. The stupidity is there, but this ain't it.
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DPI PRESS RELEASE on new NGOs for 2001
by hawkaw inthe following press release was issued by the united nations department of public information on december 20 and 21, 2001. the release dealt with new ngos who became "associated" with dpi just like the way the watchtower as an ngo became "associated" with dpi in 1992.. .
http://www.un.org/news/press/docs/2001/ngo440.doc.htm.
i like the part about the 251 organizations who were "disassociated".
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biblexaminer
Hey Hawk. How's it going? I am gonna phone you in a few hours with a blockbuster idea.
Thanks for the research on this thread BTW. It really shows just how badly the Watchtower lies.
To quote Rod Jung from last weekend at the special meetings for Elders and Servants in Southern Ontario CANADA, he said
"Jehovah views as serious, LYING to those who have a right to know the facts"
Yes ROD, HE does view it as serious. So bend over and kiss your ass GOODBYE! -
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IS THE WATCHTOWER A FALSE PROPHET?
by You Know inwhen jesus was on earth the devil approached him quoting scripture in order to tempt and entrap him.
it is no wonder then that the apostate angel would be behind the effort to use the scriptures against jehovahs people today in order to mislead them.
one of the most cunning and effective uses of scripture against us by satans agents is the charge that we are false prophets.
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biblexaminer
This is the point, and YK should pay attention.
Lot's of people are watching this site. Now, some are thinking minds, and others are dopes.
I for one don't care how many dopes listen to the YK line of reasoning and suck it up like candy. If the whole world joined the 1st church of youknow, and went off into oblivion believing his twisted half Watchtower self styled doctrines, then so be it.
But for the few who have a working mind that can reason, well -they come here and read yk's crap, and then see his nonsense correctly and easily refuted. Then yk is shown to be a "baffoon" (to take from his own post) and yk's bilgewater helps the reasoning mind to have the truth reinforced, by comparing it to his nonsense.
So to yk, I say carry on. Feel free to interject your own prophecys often. Include something about flying saucers. Stand on your head and talk about the three faces of eve, and how your personal carma will save the world. Claim messiaship! Quote from the WTS too. Tie their nonsense in with your own. Mix it up into one big happy batch of idiocy. Help the world see what it looks like when buffalos defecate.
And when a reasonable post goes up, these thinking minds can see the difference between your muck and straight talk.
Watchtower, Watchtower ...built a great wall
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IS THE WATCHTOWER A FALSE PROPHET?
by You Know inwhen jesus was on earth the devil approached him quoting scripture in order to tempt and entrap him.
it is no wonder then that the apostate angel would be behind the effort to use the scriptures against jehovahs people today in order to mislead them.
one of the most cunning and effective uses of scripture against us by satans agents is the charge that we are false prophets.
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biblexaminer
JT has it right here
YK is full of cow filth.
The deceptive comparison (taken right from the WTS) between the Watchtower's false prophecies, -and the supposed Apostles private ponderings, is a way for a discerning mind to see the deception in the false YK's Satan-like words.
The WTS, and also their jw.com minion (YK), use a bait and switch technique as did Satan when he attempted to decieve Jesus. YK uses three coconuts. He puts his false idea under one coconut, and then moves the three cocnuts around and opens another.
The fact that YK repeats the WTS party line shows that he is just a brainless dub. To DUB a tape, one records over what was there originally. That is what YK is, a DUB. His mind has been DUBBED over with WTS rhetoric garbage.
*** Rbi8 Deuteronomy 18:20-22 ***
This is an unbending criteria, and easily identifies the Watchtower Fable and Crap Society as a FALSE PROPHET.
20 “‘However, the prophet who presumes to speak in my name a word that I have not commanded him to speak or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die. 21 And in case you should say in your heart: “How shall we know the word that Jehovah has not spoken?” 22 when the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak. With presumptuousness the prophet spoke it. You must not get frightened at him.’Lists of their statements are far too plentiful and available to deny and YK knows this. Yet he/she/it still defends them.
So what does that make YK? I will let the working minds who read supply their own answer.
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Raymond Franz and UN (part 2)
by Henriksen inon december 20 hawk wrote:.
re: raymond franz and un dec 20, 2001 20:41 .
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biblexaminer
Listen. If you re-examine the posts you are "quoting" from, you will see that I posted this...he is keeping tabs on the whole affair but didn't seem overly intested.
I called Ray up to check on some books, and while I had him on the phone, I touched on the UN-WTS issue. He had nothing to say. He didn't seem interested, and that's well and good. I did not ask for a "public statement" or a 'Ray press release'. I asked as one friend to another -in passing.
Ray has had no connection to the UN thing. What he has had a connection to, he has generously written about.
And if you check the posts, as I suggested above, I said basically there what I say again here.
Leave Ray out of it.
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The UN Affiliation: Likely Denouement?
by JosephAlward inive found the un affiliation threads very interesting, but ive also expressed the view that this issue will have virtually no effect on jw membership.
i have at least two reasons for believing this.. first, after reading w. j. schnells 1957 book, thirty years a watchtower slave, in which the author describes how the watchtower used negative publicity to increase membership, im now of the opinion that continued commentary on this matter may only serve to foster an even greater conviction on the part of rank and file jws that they are being persecuted, and they will increase their efforts to recruit members; this will offset what i think will be a miniscule number of defections by those who will feel betrayed because of the un affiliation.
the reason why i think there will be few defections is described below.. second, i believe that the watchtower can easily defend itself.
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biblexaminer
You're full of garbage Alward. GO study your watchtower magazine and bow down in the direction of the kingdumbhall.
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Interfaith in NYC?? Who knows details?
by OhHappyDay inwell, i read something about, but i have no link nor further details.
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biblexaminer
Alward sucks at the tits of the watchtower. He defends her no matter what, and then tries to act as if he's not really a borg.
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New York Times & UN/WTS
by biblexaminer innew york times december 15, 2001 .
in a startling revelation, the watchtower bible and tract society of brooklyn ny, parent organization to the jehovah's witness religion, was exposed for a stark contradiction in their religious practices.. it was revealed this week by the guardian (a leading uk newspaper) that the governing body of the watchtower religion had secretly erected a christmas tree in celebration of the festive season.
when the facts were made public this week, the watchtower quickly, and quietly, removed the tree to another location.. paul gilles, spokesman for the watchtower in great briton, wrote a letter to the guardian, in which he stated that the "tree was in no way secret" and that it was "necessary to gain access to the un library".
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Listen, if you can't tell right off what you were reading, then you don't have a hope of dealing with "Truth" and "the facts" cause' you wouldn't know it if you read it.
BTW, when Jesus comes, tell him to stick with "the facts" and quit with all the illustration junk.