the 1914 generation is back for 2002.. that's right.
some people who were alive in 1914 will still be around to see the big a according to the 2002 theocratic ministry school outline.
i downloaded the 4.8 mbyte zip file the other day and was looking for references to 1914.. from section number four of the june 17, 2002 entry (page 112):.
Weel, I will always be the first to point out the stupidity in NY, but sorry, this is an incorrect reference.
The SCHEDULE says,
No. 4: What Beliefs....This means that the material stops short of par. 8
(rs p. 199 par. 2-p. 200 par. 7)
If anyone wants a scan of the original, I will be happy to put it up.
So, lets keep looking. The stupidity is there, but this ain't it.
the following press release was issued by the united nations department of public information on december 20 and 21, 2001. the release dealt with new ngos who became "associated" with dpi just like the way the watchtower as an ngo became "associated" with dpi in 1992.. .
http://www.un.org/news/press/docs/2001/ngo440.doc.htm.
i like the part about the 251 organizations who were "disassociated".
Hey Hawk. How's it going? I am gonna phone you in a few hours with a blockbuster idea.
Thanks for the research on this thread BTW. It really shows just how badly the Watchtower lies.
To quote Rod Jung from last weekend at the special meetings for Elders and Servants in Southern Ontario CANADA, he said
"Jehovah views as serious, LYING to those who have a right to know the facts"Yes ROD, HE does view it as serious. So bend over and kiss your ass GOODBYE!
when jesus was on earth the devil approached him quoting scripture in order to tempt and entrap him.
it is no wonder then that the apostate angel would be behind the effort to use the scriptures against jehovahs people today in order to mislead them.
one of the most cunning and effective uses of scripture against us by satans agents is the charge that we are false prophets.
This is the point, and YK should pay attention.
Lot's of people are watching this site. Now, some are thinking minds, and others are dopes.
I for one don't care how many dopes listen to the YK line of reasoning and suck it up like candy. If the whole world joined the 1st church of youknow, and went off into oblivion believing his twisted half Watchtower self styled doctrines, then so be it.
But for the few who have a working mind that can reason, well -they come here and read yk's crap, and then see his nonsense correctly and easily refuted. Then yk is shown to be a "baffoon" (to take from his own post) and yk's bilgewater helps the reasoning mind to have the truth reinforced, by comparing it to his nonsense.
So to yk, I say carry on. Feel free to interject your own prophecys often. Include something about flying saucers. Stand on your head and talk about the three faces of eve, and how your personal carma will save the world. Claim messiaship! Quote from the WTS too. Tie their nonsense in with your own. Mix it up into one big happy batch of idiocy. Help the world see what it looks like when buffalos defecate.
And when a reasonable post goes up, these thinking minds can see the difference between your muck and straight talk.
Watchtower, Watchtower ...built a great wall
They put them selves on it, and then they did fall
when jesus was on earth the devil approached him quoting scripture in order to tempt and entrap him.
it is no wonder then that the apostate angel would be behind the effort to use the scriptures against jehovahs people today in order to mislead them.
one of the most cunning and effective uses of scripture against us by satans agents is the charge that we are false prophets.
JT has it right here
YK is full of cow filth.
The deceptive comparison (taken right from the WTS) between the Watchtower's false prophecies, -and the supposed Apostles private ponderings, is a way for a discerning mind to see the deception in the false YK's Satan-like words.
The WTS, and also their jw.com minion (YK), use a bait and switch technique as did Satan when he attempted to decieve Jesus. YK uses three coconuts. He puts his false idea under one coconut, and then moves the three cocnuts around and opens another.
The fact that YK repeats the WTS party line shows that he is just a brainless dub. To DUB a tape, one records over what was there originally. That is what YK is, a DUB. His mind has been DUBBED over with WTS rhetoric garbage.
*** Rbi8 Deuteronomy 18:20-22 ***This is an unbending criteria, and easily identifies the Watchtower Fable and Crap Society as a FALSE PROPHET.
20 “‘However, the prophet who presumes to speak in my name a word that I have not commanded him to speak or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die. 21 And in case you should say in your heart: “How shall we know the word that Jehovah has not spoken?” 22 when the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak. With presumptuousness the prophet spoke it. You must not get frightened at him.’
Lists of their statements are far too plentiful and available to deny and YK knows this. Yet he/she/it still defends them.
So what does that make YK? I will let the working minds who read supply their own answer.
on december 20 hawk wrote:.
re: raymond franz and un dec 20, 2001 20:41 .
quote:.
Listen. If you re-examine the posts you are "quoting" from, you will see that I posted this...he is keeping tabs on the whole affair but didn't seem overly intested.
I called Ray up to check on some books, and while I had him on the phone, I touched on the UN-WTS issue. He had nothing to say. He didn't seem interested, and that's well and good. I did not ask for a "public statement" or a 'Ray press release'. I asked as one friend to another -in passing.
Ray has had no connection to the UN thing. What he has had a connection to, he has generously written about.
And if you check the posts, as I suggested above, I said basically there what I say again here.
Leave Ray out of it.
ive found the un affiliation threads very interesting, but ive also expressed the view that this issue will have virtually no effect on jw membership.
i have at least two reasons for believing this.. first, after reading w. j. schnells 1957 book, thirty years a watchtower slave, in which the author describes how the watchtower used negative publicity to increase membership, im now of the opinion that continued commentary on this matter may only serve to foster an even greater conviction on the part of rank and file jws that they are being persecuted, and they will increase their efforts to recruit members; this will offset what i think will be a miniscule number of defections by those who will feel betrayed because of the un affiliation.
the reason why i think there will be few defections is described below.. second, i believe that the watchtower can easily defend itself.
You're full of garbage Alward. GO study your watchtower magazine and bow down in the direction of the kingdumbhall.
well, i read something about, but i have no link nor further details.
Alward sucks at the tits of the watchtower. He defends her no matter what, and then tries to act as if he's not really a borg.
new york times december 15, 2001 .
in a startling revelation, the watchtower bible and tract society of brooklyn ny, parent organization to the jehovah's witness religion, was exposed for a stark contradiction in their religious practices.. it was revealed this week by the guardian (a leading uk newspaper) that the governing body of the watchtower religion had secretly erected a christmas tree in celebration of the festive season.
when the facts were made public this week, the watchtower quickly, and quietly, removed the tree to another location.. paul gilles, spokesman for the watchtower in great briton, wrote a letter to the guardian, in which he stated that the "tree was in no way secret" and that it was "necessary to gain access to the un library".
Listen, if you can't tell right off what you were reading, then you don't have a hope of dealing with "Truth" and "the facts" cause' you wouldn't know it if you read it.
BTW, when Jesus comes, tell him to stick with "the facts" and quit with all the illustration junk.
just in case any lurkers here may be in doubt about the criticisms made of the witnesses' idolizing of an organisation, here is a selection of their claims, in their own words:.
"he [god] does not impart his holy spirit and an understanding and appreciation of his word apart from his visible organisation.
" (the watchtower, july 1, 1965, page 391).
What this site should have (Simon take note) is a way of labeling people. Sure!
After elevendymillion posts, we get the titles that show what level poster we are. Cool. But let's go one step further.
How about a kind of "survival" board, where, when someone is a moron, (YK) then we can all vote and his title becomes "Baffoon" (stole this from YK's post).
Then, as new persons tune in to the board, they wouldn't have to read a bunch of YK's worthless posts to find out that he's a moron.
They can just look at his title.
just in case any lurkers here may be in doubt about the criticisms made of the witnesses' idolizing of an organisation, here is a selection of their claims, in their own words:.
"he [god] does not impart his holy spirit and an understanding and appreciation of his word apart from his visible organisation.
" (the watchtower, july 1, 1965, page 391).
YK is the kind of nurdfodder that you just goota like ...to make fun of...
His posts are always infantile, and reveal a juvenile disposition. His mentality is that of a reckless child, seeking to put down others in the belief that he will be a BIGGER man.
He was probably a bully in the schoolyard, and not that long ago I might add.
His posts make no sense. He says lots, but with no foundation for it. He just rants.
I say to YK, why bother even trying to formulate a post that makes any sense. Why not just stick to posts like my daddy is bigger than your daddy, or perhaps nah-nah, nahnah-nah
Loser.
