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  Who is doing the Judging in the JW's

  by libra_spirit in

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  this is one of the things that strikes me as a blatant contridiction in jw doctrine.

  it never ceases to amaze me how easily it is overlooked by jw's.. a quote from the elders manual under "the.

  law of the christ".

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  bad_associashun

  Are you missing something? No, they are.

  For many- including myself- I saw neither the 'heavenly wisdon' nor the 'proper application of God's Word'--- what is HIGHLY taken into account is the conscience of the cong- "What will the friends think of the elders if they do not deal with this situation appropriately."

  As the handbook states, yes- it is a SERIOUS responsibility to deal with people's lives & relationships with others- it belongs to God, not men.
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  How to get reinstated

  by snowboardingguy in

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  what kind of questions am i gonna get asked when i go to get reinstated?

  how hard is gonna be?

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  bad_associashun

  From the elders' handbook:

  Reinstatement

  While there should be no hasty action in reinstating
  disfellowshipped individuals, consideration should be
  given to a plea for reinstatement when this is requested.

  Once a year the body of elders reviews a list of those in
  the congregation territory who are disfellowshipped or

  128 - "Pay Attention to Yourselves and to All the Flock"

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  disassociated. They will call on each one they select in
  order to see if he wants to return. (w91 4/15 pp. 22-3)

  The body will assign two elders to make each call,
  preferably elders familiar with the case.

  During a brief visit or two, the elders can kindly explain
  what the individual can do to return.

  They will report the results to the Congregation Service
  Committee, and the body will be informed at the next
  meeting of the elders.

  If someone asks about reinstatement or if by changing his
  course gives evidence of repentance and a desire to be
  reinstated, the authorized elders may speak with the
  individual and kindly explain what he needs to do in order
  to he reinstated.

  There is an advantage to having the elders who served on
  the judicial committee that disfellowshipped the
  individual also serve on the committee for the
  reinstatement if this is possible and they are still serving
  as elders in the congregation handling the request for
  reinstatement.

  In hearing pleas for reinstatement, elders need to be
  balanced.

  Genuine repentance and a turning away from the wrong
  course--not the attitude of others or merely the time
  elapsed--are the chief determining factors in deciding
  when a person may be reinstated. (1 Cor. 5:1, 11-13; 2
  Cor. 2:6, 7)

  Elders should be sure that sufficient time has passed for
  the disfellowshipped person to prove that his profession
  of repentance is genuine. ( it-2 p. 771 )

  Consider the overall pattern of his life. Does it now show
  that he is repentant? (w77 3/1 p. 152)

  If so, elders will guard against going to extremes by
  exacting a point-by-point admission of sins that may not
  have been clearly proved.

  UNIT 5 (c)

  - 129

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  Where there is evidence of conspiracy between
  individuals to put away their mates and marry each other,
  considerable time should elapse before a hearing for
  reinstatement may be held. (w79 11/15 pp. 31-2)

  If it is determined that the wrongdoer is sincerely
  repentant, has discontinued his former wrong conduct,
  and is doing works that befit repentance, he can be
  reinstated. (Compare Acts 26:20.)

  The decision to reinstate is made by a judicial committee
  of the congregation that took the disfellowshipping action.
  The secretary should sign and return the S-79b card to the
  Society immediately. (om pp. 149-50)

  If the disfellowshipped person has moved, his request for
  reinstatement may be heard by a local judicial committee
  where he is now attending meetings. Thereafter, that
  committee will give the body of elders of the congregation
  that disfellowshipped the individual its recommendation.

  If the two congregations are reasonably close to each
  other, the judicial committee of the congregation that took
  the disfellowshipping action should meet with the
  disfellowshipped individual after receiving the
  recommendation of the committee of the congregation
  where he made his plea for reinstatement.

  Reinstatement is announced in the congregation where the
  person was disfellowshipped as well as in the
  congregation where he now attends.

  When an individual is reinstated, he will still need much
  spiritual assistance.

  The elders should see that definite arrangements are made
  to help the person regain spiritual health and strength.
  (Col. 2:7; Titus 2:1, 2)

  They may arrange for a Bible study to be conducted,
  which would be reported as field service.

  130 - "Pay Attention to Yourselves and to All the Flock "

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  Restrictions should be imposed to help the person see the
  need of continuing to make 'straight paths for his feet' and
  also out of consideration for the congregation's
  conscience. (Heb. 12:13)

  The privilege of sharing in the field service is restored
  when the individual is reinstated.

  other privileges, such as commenting at meetings,
  handling parts on the program, and offering prayer at
  meetings, can be restored progressively when it is
  determined that the individual has progressed spiritually
  to the point that he is qualified and when it is judged by
  the elders that the extending of such privileges will not be
  offensive to the congregation.

  It will be up to the elders of the congregation where he
  now is located to decide when certain privileges may be
  restored.

  Circumstances of each case govern the length of time that
  should elapse before recommending a reinstated brother
  for additional privileges and responsibility.

  Carefully consider possible effects if the individual were
  to be appointed. Would it be a cause for stumbling among
  the brothers?

  The privilege of serving as ministerial servant or elder can
  be recommended only after he has had ample time to
  prove himself to be irreprehensible and is again "free from
  accusation" and has "freeness of speech." ( 1 Tim. 3:2, 9,
  10, 13)

  He must live down the reproach and build up a convincing
  record of righteousness, which may take a number of
  years.

  If wrongdoing occurred in another congregation, the
  feelings of members of that congregation should be
  considered.

  In cases of scandal, he might not be able to live down
  his wrongdoing sufficiently to qualify for an appoint-
  ment to serve as a ministerial servant or an elder for a
  very long time.

  UNIT 5 (c)

  - 131

  Hope this helps some- remember even after ri, you will STILL be a 'marked individual- not fit for associashun- you will still be shunned by many until they see what you are going to do (see above part on 'restoring priveleges'.
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  We need a little controversy !

  by lucidentity in

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  2. friends

  it is always interesting to note the blasphemy and the be-littling of higher powers.

  how dare you all question god?

  how dare you all think that with your puny little brains you have conquered the mysteries and understandings of life?

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  bad_associashun

  I don't understand your judgemental attitude ('puny little brains?), however it would be a wise move to step outside the org bubble and off the society's pedestal & examine your own beliefs sans the wts view & publications.
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  My darn dog died

  by LB in

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  i've had this cowdog for nearly 11 years now.

  today she went out in the sun and got heatstroke and just didn't recover.

  i gave her cpr and brought her back twice but she was too far gone.

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  so sorry LB- I can relate to the feelings of this loss. The best of companions, never judge you, never shun you, the wagging tail says so much.

  I used to own a tee shirt saying: 'The more people I meet, the more I love my dog.'

  Dogs are people too

  Here's a lil piece I have hanging on my wall you may enjoy:

  DOGS ARE MIRACLES WITH PAWS

  A dog's nose in the palm of your hand can cure almost anything.

  Dog's are made of love & fur.

  A dog's love is a sure thing.

  Some little known dog secrets:

  dogs have no secrets

  dogs love vanilla ice cream

  dogs like dancing, drive-in movies & dreaming

  dogs have a special place with god- he spelled god backward to name them

  dogs make great therapists

  dogs invented unconditional love

  APPLY DOG LOGIC TO LIFE: eat well, get petted often, sleep a lot, dream of a leash-free world
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  Who's your fav. actor/actress? fav. film?

  by Leander in

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  for all you film buffs out there who's your favorite actor and actress?

  what would you say your favorite movie is?.

  currently i really like johnny depp and the roles that he plays.. not far behind him are:.

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  bad_associashun

  fav actor - one who does comedy, horror, drama- all of it- variety in his talent- there can be only one: Jack Nicholson

  Tom Hanks a close second

  fav flick: The Usual Suspects

  it was cool to hear another person likes this movie- it seems whenever I mention 'Keyser Soze', no one knows what I'm talking about
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  Whati means to be JW

  by Dawn in

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  2. friends

  i couldn't resist - some people are so pompous!

  !- just had to post this message that i read on another board.....um....complete with my additions shown in red.

  * to serve and worship our creator, the only true god, jehovah, is the ultimate honour, more valuable and precious than all the money and possessions, status, etc in the world.

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  bad_associashun

  "We are healthier, we are fit, we endure..." What a load of it.

  Without that morning coffee & sugar buzz, most wouldn't make it til noon, for the lunch nap.

  Such a humble, modest people too.
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  Fluff! Get your fluff here!

  by SpiceItUp in

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  a few of my favorite fluffy things........what do you like that is fluffy?

  edited by - spiceitup on 9 july 2002 11:26:46.

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  bad_associashun

  luv anything with fluff- animals, clothing, food

  except people- do not love people with fluff

  that lil poodle is adorable!!
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  Does anyone here workout on a regular basis?

  by Leander in

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  i just wanted to get a little dialog going with some of the members here who workout.

  i know reborn works out quite a bit and i've been doing fairly well as of recently in getting back into a regular exercise regimine.

  so far i've worked out everyday for the past 17 days, i usually try to do weight training at least 3-4 times a week and i usually do some cardio everyday.

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  bad_associashun

  gave up fitness for the truth & pioneering, then after being df'd, got back into it- competed twice, did a few fitness/athletic posters, appearances with the biggies in fitness/bbing

  it being such a worldly habit, again gave it up to 'return' to the org.- went thru some depression/self-esteem issues par from df'd, part from seeing my hard & tight physique turn to slush- currently going everyday- sometimes twice/day- on a mission to get it back again

  still sore from last week's squats
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  oral sex

  by lilpumpkin in

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  would someone who was a jw all his life (24 years) know he's not suppose to be giving/receiving oral sex?

  is it possible he might not have heard about this rule?

  does it not apply if the person is disfellowshipped?

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  bad_associashun

  after 24 yrs, a person would probably be in complete confusion about what the wts regards as true porneia.

  as far as being df'd, anything goes... ahhh, the joys
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  Titles please

  by Lady Lee in

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  just wondered if anyone had a caption for this wt.

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  bad_associashun

  PERSEVERE IN PRAYER