*standing up and applauding Englishman*
Excellent!
Andi
Billygoat
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Friends we are too unbalanced.
by sleepy inwell sometimes we are.. look we have the knowledge and experience to help a lot of people.must of us have one time been jw's and understand how many think.so lets not put them off by being too negative.. when we were witnesses most of us were quite happy .
we tried to be good people , to put into practise principles that many people think are good.
we did this sometimes even when we didn't want to , because we thought god would hold us accountable and because we cared for people .
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Friends we are too unbalanced.
by sleepy inwell sometimes we are.. look we have the knowledge and experience to help a lot of people.must of us have one time been jw's and understand how many think.so lets not put them off by being too negative.. when we were witnesses most of us were quite happy .
we tried to be good people , to put into practise principles that many people think are good.
we did this sometimes even when we didn't want to , because we thought god would hold us accountable and because we cared for people .
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Can I remind everyone of the work SilentLambs is doing? Can I remind everyone of the countless children that were physically and sexually abused and the abusers that were harbored and protected by the WTS? That nothing has been done to protect the innocent children? And that nothing has been done to even try to make up for it to those already damaged?
I'm sorry. I disagree with this post completely.
Andi
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Is Life What You Make It?
by Englishman inlife is what you make it.. broadly speaking, i do believe that.
it seems to me that most persons fall into 1 of 3 categories:.
1. the well-balanced person who is a good achiever and enjoys the fruitage of his labours.
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Billygoat
AMarie,
I've relaxed a bit and developed a sense of humor.
Awesome point! And isn't that key in our recoverys?
Andi
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Is Life What You Make It?
by Englishman inlife is what you make it.. broadly speaking, i do believe that.
it seems to me that most persons fall into 1 of 3 categories:.
1. the well-balanced person who is a good achiever and enjoys the fruitage of his labours.
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Can I say that I'm trying to be in category one?
I do believe the WTS is harmful in more ways than good. I had a terrible experience with their belief system and do not plan on going back. I do wish my parents and the brothers would take responsibility for their part in harming me. But I do refuse to let that experience be the excuse for me living a bad life or making bad decisions. Yes, they screwed me. But my decisions today are mine and mine alone. I will not allow them to have anymore power over me. So yes, I try to be in category one. But it's come only after a lot of heartache, personal loss, and work at changed thinking patterns and behaviors.
I'm proud of the fact that I was able to pick myself up from my bootstraps and move on. I think we all should be! We're all at different levels of dusting ourselves off, but we're alive aren't we? We have choices now, don't we? I say make the most of it and enjoy LIFE!
Andi
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Friends we are too unbalanced.
by sleepy inwell sometimes we are.. look we have the knowledge and experience to help a lot of people.must of us have one time been jw's and understand how many think.so lets not put them off by being too negative.. when we were witnesses most of us were quite happy .
we tried to be good people , to put into practise principles that many people think are good.
we did this sometimes even when we didn't want to , because we thought god would hold us accountable and because we cared for people .
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You're kidding right?
Andi
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No Tipping Hats to Women!
by ISP injust noticed the thread with the lady sporting a panama so i thought it might be as well to reconsider hatiquette...er hat etiquette wts style............ *** w52 4/15 254-5 questions from readers ***.
questions from readers.
 is it proper for men to tip their hats to women?g.
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OUTLAW - good point! The WTS treats their women like dogs and anyone knows most die-hard jdubs will act like they're treated! I don't think I even understood the meaning of "lady" until I left the borg. You're right...they do deserve each other!
((((Cowboy)))) - You're a sweetie!
Andi
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When a Woman's Fed Up.......
by Tatiana inwhen a woman's fed up...... a man comes home from work early to surprise his wife with.
my ribs that are stinging me right now is the fact that i. still love you.
killed someone you probably are going to jail for a long.
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Billygoat
Too bad he didn't get what was really owed him.....
Don't worry hon. It'll happen one of these days. One of these days.
Andi
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When a Woman's Fed Up.......
by Tatiana inwhen a woman's fed up...... a man comes home from work early to surprise his wife with.
my ribs that are stinging me right now is the fact that i. still love you.
killed someone you probably are going to jail for a long.
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Billygoat
April,
I'm speechless. But I understand your experience far too well. (From my past - not today. I have a great guy in my life now!) Your courage to get out and take care of your children is a wonderful example. But my heart still cries for our pasts.
Love to you,
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No Tipping Hats to Women!
by ISP injust noticed the thread with the lady sporting a panama so i thought it might be as well to reconsider hatiquette...er hat etiquette wts style............ *** w52 4/15 254-5 questions from readers ***.
questions from readers.
 is it proper for men to tip their hats to women?g.
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Billygoat
I've stated this in another thread, but I'll say it again. I believe that women should be paid equally in the work force. I love the fact that couples have the option of the Dad staying at home and taking care of the kids nowadays. I believe couple's that have healthy relationships typically do away with the He-man/She-woman boundaries and just pitch in and help each other, regardless of what society believes in domestic responsibilities. I'm not a die-hard feminist.
But there is a part of me that is a bit old-fashioned. Since Neil and I started dating over a year ago, I can count on one hand how many times I've ever opened a door with him there. He always gets the car door for me. He always helps me with carrying groceries or other packages. He walks my dogs when it's late and dark outside, knowing full well that I'm capable. He has me call him when I get home from his house late at night - he wants to know that I'm safe. He picks me up for dates and actually comes to my door - he doesn't honk from the parking lot. He never purposely belches or scratches his crotch in my presence. He always let me order first when we dine out. And you know what? I love it! I love the fact that he calls me "princess" and that he does what he can to make me happy! I think it chivalrous and gentlemanly. There are too few men like him in this world. And the fact that he's almost 4 years my junior surprises me to this day. Most men his age (that I know) don't know what a gentleman is, let alone how to act like one.
I also believe that I treat Neil well too. Whenever we're together, I do whatever I can to make him comfortable and happy. It's a two way street - he tries to make me happy and I try to make him happy. Either way, we both feel special and loved.
I have a lot of male friends that can't figure out why they can't get a "lady". My advice is that they don't deserve a "lady" unless they act like a "gentleman." Same goes true to the women friends in my life. You can't attract a gentleman unless you act like a lady.
But is it any wonder why women are treated so badly in the organization? Is it any wonder why so many JW men are abusive somehow - mentally, physically, emotionally, or sexually. That's the example that comes from their "pulpit" and they think women are their god-given right. UGH!
I can't remember ANY JW brothers treating any women the way Neil treats me.
Andi - stepping down from her soapbox
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On decorating trees
by Yerusalyim inas liza, the kids, and i were decorating the christmas tree last night, my mind went back to our first christmas together 6 years ago.
one of the first questions liza asked was "you're not going to put up a tree, are you?
" typical jw conditioning.
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Billygoat
I love this thread!
Hmmm. What are my Christmas traditions? I don't really have any. I've been out for 11 years and have celebrated holidays with abandon every year. But every year it's done with new friends and new "family". Haha!
Not long after I left the dubs, I joined my father's non-JW family for holiday events. Hated it. None of them looked at it other than the spiteful, selfish, gift-getting holiday it had always been on the McElfresh side of the family. Made me realize why my father doesn't really like his family. They're mostly people with the JW selfishness and bitterness without being JWs.
So several years ago I realized I didn't like spending time with them and I stopped going. My grandmother still holds it against me and gets angry with me every year for not "coming home" like I should. Blech. Can barely stand talking to the woman.
I know one of these days, I'll have my own family filled with traditions and great memories for the kids. I'm in no rush. I'll get there one of these days.
The only tradition I really have is Thanksgiving traditions, but we're past that now.
Andi