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  Can any one tell me ?

  by Angry in

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  why the hell did this crap make me like i am?

  all the years of abuse going on.

  i'm angry and very confused.

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  steve2

  Hi Angry,

  Welcome from New Zealand (Down Under),

  I so relate to your sentiments. Hang on to the thought that it does get better, that there is life beyond the Watchtower.

  Warm regards,

  steve2
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  Crazy reasons why people became JW's...

  by misspeaches in

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  do any of you have any amusing stories as to why some people becames jw's?.

  personally... when we were just little tikes my mum was organising a birthday party for my sister.

  she invited the neighbours boys around and they weren't allowed because they were a jw family.

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  steve2

  Surely nowadays most people who do become JWs do so because of family ties. "Joining" secures those ties, just as leaving severes them.
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  Quickbuilds

  by JW83 in

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  there is a quickbuild going on in our area this weekend.

  i drove past today & it made me sad - they were the best part of being a dub.

  i used to go with friends, & it was cruzey - checking out guys & socialising & working hard.

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  steve2

  JW building projects - another cause of stumbling and misery in a religion that has proliferated the causes of stumbling and misery and truned them into art forms.

  Quick to build, quick to need rebuilding...Done on the not-so-cheap, but looking oh-so-cheap...

  The end is just around the corner, so they don't need to last......Uh Oh, the end hasn't come yet; Now what are we going to do with all those moldy, smelly buildings?
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  How to implode your local congregation

  by Check_Your_Premises in

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  i threw this out on another thread and someone asked that i give it it's own.

  there were other ideas thrown out, but this one is developed enough to merit discussion.

  i am not sure how to pull this off.. .

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  steve2

  If their tracts and write ups are written like their web page they may be more of a turnoff to a dub than a help

  I agree with this observation. I'm always amazed by how off-putting a lot of ex-Jw literature is both in style and content, with some of it sounding more like a mad inflammatory rant than anything that could potentially be a useful source of sound information for the JW. It alienates the very audience it claims it wants to reach; namely JWs.
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  New Letter to all Congregations 5/16/2005

  by TheListener in

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  i just got a sneak peek at a letter to all congregations.

  it will be read at this week's service meeting.

  i can't remember it word for word but the gist is: .

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  steve2

  If only the Watchtower had not made such a huge fuss about other religions begging for money. Money is a necessary evil, I suppose. But given the watchtower's holier than thou claims, this letter has hypocrisy written all over it.
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  How to implode your local congregation

  by Check_Your_Premises in

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  i threw this out on another thread and someone asked that i give it it's own.

  there were other ideas thrown out, but this one is developed enough to merit discussion.

  i am not sure how to pull this off.. .

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  steve2

  JWs think about the implications of leaving for all sorts of reasons, so I don't think a tract would work. Some begin to get disilusioned because of doctrinal doubts, or policy doubts (e.g., hardline on blood), or the JW home environment, or sexual abuse, or interpersonal conlfict with others in the congregation. There would be huge variability in where poeple aret "at" when they actually leave. I don't think a tract could possibly cover all of these possibilities. For example, a major turn-off for me when I left was pamphlets "exposing" JW doctrines and failed predictions. But I would never suggest those sorts of tracts would be wonderfully appropriate for others who have left.
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  How to implode your local congregation

  by Check_Your_Premises in

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  i threw this out on another thread and someone asked that i give it it's own.

  there were other ideas thrown out, but this one is developed enough to merit discussion.

  i am not sure how to pull this off.. .

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  steve2

  I really like the idea of immediate support in principle. But the difficulty I have is that the newly disfellowshipped person is often grappling with a lot of emotional overwhelm (including losts of guilt and misgivings to say the least) and their situation may be potentially aggravated if they misinterpret the motives of the offer.

  I've known newly disfellowshipped JWs to be extremely selective with whom they associate (e.g., avoiding apostates and preferring those disfellowshipped for sins of the flesh or vice versa). Again, this thread discusses a worthy idea, but I'm uneasy about its implementation, especially since it may be perceived as just another pressure to resist.
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  Who know's about the founder of the JW being seventhday adventitous

  by mormon 4 life in

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  i was told that he was that's why thye have the same doctrine.........................................

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  steve2

  Please! I can't cope with the prospect of choosing whether to live forever on just one planet without another exclusivist religion coming along and offering the prospect of several planets. Way too much choice!
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  Field Service is a Farce

  by swiftbreeze in

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  i touch on this subject in another post but i felt the need to take it further...back in the day jw's went out in fs but i don't know about today.... i live in a big city....the territory my congregation has is small because there are so many cong.

  here.. our bookstudy only had maybe four blocks at the most to work.

  my ex husband and i would go to the meetings and hear talk about fs and all the wonderful and experiences and the joy oh joy in being out in the ministry.

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  steve2

  Some of the pioneers I worked with would move so slow.

  Same here in New Zealand. In fact, I think one of the keys to surviving as a pioneer is to move as slow as possible, whether it be by foot, vehicle or bike. Anything faster than a snail's pace and you risk burnout!!

  The tricks of the trade are universal. No where is the unity of JWs more evident than in their approach to door-knocking. The longer you've been in the organization, the slower you move. it's like the law of gravity: Impossible to resist.

  The cleverest tact of all? Traveling miles and miles and miles to pay a visit on a householder that was not home the first time you called and that you pretty well know will still be a not-at-home when you return. Ah, the tricks that lead to survival are second to none.
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  Who know's about the founder of the JW being seventhday adventitous

  by mormon 4 life in

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  i was told that he was that's why thye have the same doctrine.........................................

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  steve2

  Russell didn't found the Jehovah's Witnesses. RUTHERFORD founded the Jehovah's Witnesses.

  Try telling that to Russell's ex-wife who was booted out and defamed by her egotistical husband because she tried to assert herself and actually had the temerity to question his authority! Russell gave birth to the baby and incubated it in an atmosphere of elite sectarianism. Rutherford came along and simply taught the child a few new tricks.. that's all. Both men were narcissists who tried to position theselves as God's authority on earth and they vigorously put down anyone who dared question their authority.