Posts by steve2

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Happy 20th Birthday to JWD / JWN

by Simon in

as sgt pepper sang, "it was 20 years ago today" ... that i made my first post on my first forum.. i obviously didn't put too much thought into what it should say although i must have burned 45 posts testing things and was too lazy to reset the counter before going live (?):.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/46/welcome.

but somehow, it worked and grew and here we all are, 20 years on.

steve2

This October it will have been 15 years since I joined. My avatar says it all: Give me music and you'll get a big smile from me.

An excellent, informative, often challenging and occasionally infuriating forum. It's not necessarily for the fainted-hearted, but can be instrumental in helping the faint-hearted kick start their fade.

I like that it has room for a number of different viewpoints and that Simon wastes no niceties on posters who flout the standard rules for posting. I've seen a number of posters take exception and leave in high drama. I've seen even more share their views over the years as they've reached out to share their wisdom, knowledge and experience.

Thank you Simon for standing by your website and growing bolder in your views with each passing years. And thank you in particular for allowing us to be your guests. Best wishes over the next many, many years.

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Interesting piece about Stephen Lett and family: property developers

by Diogenesister in

another very well researched programme by the blue envelope exploring stephen lett's bio and his family interest in property.

interestingly his parents were pioneering until the new service year 1975 , when they immediately changed tack and began investing in properties along the gulf coast.

once again, highly recommended veiwing.. https://youtu.be/9qh0jbvsdrc.

steve2

This just in from Lett's parents: "Please, please, don't blame us".

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Jehovah's Witnesses DENY the Physical Bodily resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ

by JW Answers in

the jehovah's witnesses are taught by their organisation that christ's body was disposed by jehovah god, they deny the physical bodily resurrection and explain that he rose again as a spirit creature.

as we take into account what the watchtower teach, i explain from the bible that christ rose again from the grave in his body, and showing forth that the jehovah's witnesses are in error.

in this video i cover:

steve2

JW Answers,

great to see you filling out this post with multiple contributions. If this were a book launch, you'd be buying all ten copies of your biography.

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When Jesus went to sleep - How the COVID-19 virus spread so fast in South Korea.

by fulltimestudent in

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when the nt says that jesus decided to go back to heaven, izt recorded his promise that he would be with his followers all the time, presumably to care for them.. so let's see how this coronavirus spread so quickly in south korea.. note: this video has been made by a singaporean media group that calls itself 'mothership sg".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcwefiwckv4.

steve2

South Koreans have a strong penchant for cults in which membership spreads like wildfire. I've no doubt that the members of Shincheonji will view the Korean government's clamp-down on their activities as persecution.

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March 2020 Broadcast - Hard Push to Baptism. Why?

by Smiles in

the jw broadcast for march 2020 is a hard push for more baptisms, where mark sanctamonious sanderson makes ready use of the phrase "baptised disciples of jesus" instead of their typical catch phrase "baptised servants of jehovah".

the "jesus message" is somewhat unusual rhetoric for jehovah's witnesses.

why the big push for more baptism?

steve2

They interviewed the old JW croney, RP, but for some reason they left out his middle initial (I).

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My email to JW Following Trolley Conversation

by cofty in

a few weeks ago i had an really interesting conversation with three male jws who were loitering around a trolley at the west end of princes street in edinburgh.. i managed to completely avoid giving any hint about my jw past and focussed on why they thought the bible was a reliable moral guide.

i used the subject of slavery to illustrate my concerns.. one of the three was in his early twenties, knew a lot about his own beliefs but nothing about the real life and it was difficult to get through his thought-bubble.

the second one was in his 60s and not very bright.

steve2

A tactfully and respectfully composed email, cofty. Being on the relatively brief side, it would not have been too arduous for him to read and comprehend. The absence of rhetoric is a standout. I suspect the reason he has not answered is he realized there is no defenceable response.

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When many of the GB are dead in 10 years

by HiddenPimo in

what will be their new plan?.

steve2

It must be extremely hard for an individual who has spent a lifetime believing something to admit to themselves that they have been misled all of those years .

Yes, it's known as "the sunk-cost fallacy": The more you have invested in something, the more sacrifices you have made for it, the less likely you will objectively evaluate it and the more likely you will feel more convinced about it because the alternative view that you are wrong is too horrible to live with.

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When many of the GB are dead in 10 years

by HiddenPimo in

what will be their new plan?.

steve2

They do not die at the same time or even the same time period - so there is never a time when more than one JW male joins the GB.

Also, newcomers to the GB are chosen very carefully because of their demonstrated loyalty to the organization and conservative outlook. Selection criteria would exclude intelligence and critical thinking skills, among other qualities of thinkers. Even Ray Franz only left the GB after significant years of doubt.

Do not expect a new broom to sweep clean the organization.

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Good Youtube channels

by belogical in

ok i'll start the ball rolling.

winston from jamaica with his excellent channel.

lots of short and to the point videos.. https://www.youtube.com/channel/ucmfy5skgfysq36ug1ismnsg.

steve2

For sheer consistency and depth of coverage on all things ex-JW, you can't go passed John Cedars: Thoughtful, well reasoned, and acknowledges other's points of view.
BTW, for physical health reasons, Susan Gaskin's channel is on hold - but, man, when she was making videos, she provided an important and insightful woman's perspective.
A very promising channel is Ali's big toe. I've only seen a few, but am already hooked. A distinctively calm and reasonable voice.
I used to tune into Kim and Mikey, but their videos became a bit too shouty and sensationalist (and at the same time, their hearts are in the right place.

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I thought New Zealand was a DECENT country!

by The Fall Guy in

a criminal in nz- in this case a murderer - has the right not to be identified - even after conviction?

quote: "why was grace millane’s murderer granted anonymity?

the reasons for the so-called suppression order, like the name of the killer himself, cannot be given for legal reasons.

steve2

The judge in the trial cited in the OP has said that the suppression order is not permanent. It has nothing to do with whether or not New Zealand is a left- leaning country because current legislation on name suppression was passed into law when the conservative National party was in power.

Once it is announced whether or not the defendant will appeal his 17-year sentence, the suppression order will be revisited by the Judge.