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  Elders are the ''human resource'' workers of the Watchtower corporation!

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

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  here is a brother who really thinks that elders are there to help him after admitting that he cheated on his wife.

  his conscience is bothering him to the point of letting elders know all the details of his affair.

  ( his affair should have been private, between himself and his wife ).

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  Is his wife included in the judicial process?Is she at home waiting for the outcome? What about her legitimate needs? Why can't the couple have the option of treating this as a private matter that they can equip themselves to work out together in private? Why does the shadow of the organiuzation - and elders in particular - have to hang over a marital issue? Why does it have to become a judicial matter? There are trained professionals who are accountable by dint of their professional bodies to responsibly and appropriately handle these kinds of private matters.

  Look at the body language of these religiously motivated untrained men. Imagine if the woman was the one who committed adultery - the idea of three men sitting in the room with the woman sounds totally inappropriate and distasteful.

  JW organization is an example of a high control group that exploits the created need to "confess" so that the private actions of consenting adults becomes grounds for religious trials.

  Compare that to the norm in which private matters remain private to the concerned individuals who can be equipped to handle such matters without the busy-body moralizing of a patriarchal system of control.
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  If The JW Religion Was A Person --You'd See How Mentally ILL - that person was.

  by pistolpete in

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  i found this interesting observation .

  u/mistermark21imagine if the jw religion was a person.

  some guy who thinks that:.

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  One person has persecutory beliefs: He/she is probably delusional

  More than one person shares the same persecutory beliefs: They're probably religious.
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  Is "Active Publishers" a new concept?

  by jwfacts in

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  i just saw the congregation analysis report for 2020, a form i have not noticed before.

  it asks for the number of "active publishers.

  " this is a term i have not seen specified before.

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  My recollection as a former PO and Secretary is that “Active Publishers” has been on the analysis report for several years now Paul.

  Agreed. This is not new - although, as others have guessed, this may well become a part of their annual Service Year Report for 2020 - given the dramatic hit numbers in each category will have taken due to Covid-19.
  
  
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  Is There a Higher Conscious

  by LetTheTruthBeKnown in

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  most of the individuals here from what i have read have gravitated to believing in evolution for various reasons and no longer have a belief in a creator.. the questions begs though, is there a higher conscious in the universe than mankind's.

  i am sure everyone agrees that animals are conscious, but to what extent can they reason?.

  here is the link to dr. rupert sheldrake's - is the sun conscious.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfhsobpja8a.

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  • Was there a time before words? If so explain.

    
    

    And if not..?

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  In my country the preaching work is over

  by cookiemaster in

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  the jws in my country can't preach to anyone these days and they're going crazy.

  i live in romania and initially during the covid-19 lockdown they were very enthusiastic about preaching.

  they've since held daily "field service meetings" on zoom.

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  One of the main kingdom halls in Christchurch, New Zealand, hasn't been open for meetings since March - even though the country moved back into level 1 in July following the highest level 4 when meetings were not allowed. What gives that they still don't use kingdom halls months later?
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  Meanwhile over at exjw reddit

  by nowwhat? in

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  it has no value at all.

  it consists of 99% dumb, confused kids asking stupid hypothetical questions.

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  exJW reddit has a noticeably high volume of traffic so it is relatively easy to spot perhaps the more superficial posts (e.g., look at me with a tattoo on my shoulder). That said, there are a number of heart-rending posts that elicit a high degree of moral support and the level of advice is on the main, responsible. Yes, it does seem to appeal to a different audience of exJWs and/or PIMOs.
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  Meanwhile over at exjw reddit

  by nowwhat? in

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  it has no value at all.

  it consists of 99% dumb, confused kids asking stupid hypothetical questions.

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  The worst of exJW reddit is as you say but the best is worth checking out. Perhaps it was the time when you checked in, but the moderators have attempted to highlight the more thoughtful posts and put less emphasis on memes and photos. One thing I have noticed is the number of well written posts by younger PIMOs or exJWs.

  The reddit moderators do not intrude beyond reminding posters of the need to follow the rules. One of the difficulties I have with this forum is it does descend from time to time to a degree of ill-tempered posts decrying either the right or (more likely) the left with the level of debate down to who can make the most controversial statements about "some" exJWs. But I also acknowledge that this forum is a platform for some of the most compelling posts on moving on from JW organization I have ever read.
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  Baptism during Covid - pool must tough the ground?

  by jwfacts in

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  the july 2020 announcements mentions that baptism can be held in an “inflatable pool” as long as it touches the ground.

  the pool must not be “on a terrace, flat roof, balcony, etc.”.

  has anyone ever noticed that as a requirement?.

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  jp1692 and others, you appear to have not read earlier replies which point out the requirement is for safety reasons.
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  Worldwide Campaign Nov 2020

  by Listener in

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  thanks petra and atlantis for sending the latest letter regarding the watchtowers plan for a worldwide campaign in november this year.

  i am wondering what they are planning to achieve from this campaign, particularly their focus on sending the watchtower 2020 no.

  2, titled "what is god's kingdom" to politicians, governments (and tribal leaders) around the world.. it would appear that this is their answer to governments who have put them in the spot light for their bad policies, particularly their handling of child abuse.

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  Government official in November, upon opening the letters from JWs:

  "Marion, here's another handful. Just file them in the usual "Religious Nutters" folders along with the others we're getting from all the other religious groups."

  Marion, rolling her eyes, obliges.
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  Was It Designed? (My head hurts)

  by Cadellin in

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  i know i shouldn't--i tell myself this over and over--but i can't help peeking at these silly articles.

  and then i see this and my head really starts hurting: so the gannet, if you don't know (and why would you?

  ) is a seabird that feeds on fish.

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  In one of their irritating evolution versus creation brochures, the writer(s) marvel at the ingenuity of a poisonous spider and its ability to defend itself against enormous odds. Funny, I thought, that this "creation" that they marvel over is a deftly moving killer machine that can even imperil any human who happens to be in its path - no mention of that in the brochure. Did Jehovah "design" this spider's deadly force? And don't give me that crap about the animal kingdom "changing" since the fall of Adam and Eve.