Posts by Gill

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Can raising a child JW contribute to later psychiatric disorders?

by journey-on in

i read about the high incidents of mental illness and psychiatric disorders among jehovah's witnesses and it .

started me thinking about why this is and how so.

then i made this list and realized how much a child's psyche.

Gill

Steve2 - So what about the effects of delusion? A JW is brought up with a totally fictitious future horizon..ie the 'real' possibility that they will a) never grow old and b) potentially NEVER have to die.

I remember saying to the psychiatrist I saw that I had always believed and been told that I was going to live forever. I had discovered that I had been lied to and my horizon had disappeared. I felt I had no 'legs' to stand on and didn't know what was right or wrong and what was true or not as I knew I had chosen to believe a lie my whole life and this had destroyed any confidence in my own judgement. I had failed to see that I was being 'taken for a ride'. How could I ever trust my own judgement ever again after I had been told something repeatedly by my parents, the WT, at the meetings, by fellow JWs and been stupid enough to believe it.

It took years to regain any confidence in my own judgement and the critical eye I should have developed if I had the sense to trust myself.

A person does not have to become schizophrenic or any other such mental illness to not be seen as having a psychiatric disorder and mine was that I really did not know who I was, where I was and what I was and had to find out......the very thing I should have been doing for all those previous years and yet had never done so.

It was quite a shock to go from looking in the mirror and seeing a 'super spiritual person' to a person who realised they were so stupid that they had wasted forty years of their precious life on LIES and stupid lies as well, the kind of lies that even an idiot should have sniffed out immeadiately.

I think that and Organization that tells its members not to think and punishes free thinking is responsible for the damage and psychiatric harm it perpetrates on those trapped in it by their own stupid parents.

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Can raising a child JW contribute to later psychiatric disorders?

by journey-on in

i read about the high incidents of mental illness and psychiatric disorders among jehovah's witnesses and it .

started me thinking about why this is and how so.

then i made this list and realized how much a child's psyche.

Gill

Steve2 - Nothing to apologise for! I am not offended by anything you wrote, just thought that it is all far more complicated than some people think.

Also, I agree completely that the WT members are not unique in suffering from the abuse of the WT Cult BUT that doesn't let them off the hook or even minimize the destructive qualities of their belief structure and control techniques.

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michael porter was not a jw while he was abusing children apparently!

by looloo in

someone i know whos mum is a jw said that her mum told her that alot of jws had written to bethel to ask why porter had not been disfellowshipped by the org and apparently they have been told that he was not a jw when he actually abused the children and that when he was asked to be an elder he was asked if there was anything he would like to confess to which is when it all came out , the org have also said that it was all a long time ago so thats why they did nothing !

well the man that abused my child had abused other children "a long time ago" but it did not stop him doing it again .

does anyone on here know if it is true that the org are telling members that he was not a jw at the time he abused children because i believe he has been one all his life?

Gill

Theocratic Warfare at its best!

The WTBTS is full of lying BS!

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Can raising a child JW contribute to later psychiatric disorders?

by journey-on in

i read about the high incidents of mental illness and psychiatric disorders among jehovah's witnesses and it .

started me thinking about why this is and how so.

then i made this list and realized how much a child's psyche.

Gill

Steve2 - You make good points that certainly apply to people who might be attracted to and choose to join a cult such as the JWs.

The point you fail to address is the effect that being brought up in such a group by such parents may affect adversely children who would have been 'normal' if it had not been for their warped upbringing.

As an extreme example to illustrate my point, what would a young girl have been like as an adult if she had perhaps not been sexually assaulted as a child?

Would she have been considered mentally normal, if she is showing symptoms of depression or anxiety in her adulthood, if it were not for the severe negative effects of the trauma of her childhood? It's possible that a definite answer may never be known, but one fact that cannot be denied is that traumatic and even repeated negative events in a childhood cannot help a child have relaxed or normal mental outlook in later life.

JW children are brought up with a warped view of the world which cannot be of benefit to their mental health as they grow up even if they don't show symptoms of depression, anxiety or any other mental illness.

I agree, misfits and malcontents WILL be attracted to the WTBTS but what of their innocent children dragged up in the cult? That is another story and we cannot dismiss their suffereing and inconsequential or perhaps not even consider it inevitable.

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Blood

by Aleman in

i am getting away for a moment from congacs forum to talk about what i have reaserched about the blood topic.. blood is composed of a liquid called blood plasma and blood cells suspended within the plasma.

the blood cells present in blood are red blood cells, white blood cells, and platelets.plasma is predominantly water containing dissolved proteins, salts and many other substances; and makes up about 55% of blood by volume.

by far the most abundant cells in blood are red blood cells.

Gill

The God Jehovah of the Israelites was a blood thirsty God demanding that animals be killed and sacrificed to 'please' him.

What kind of personality would demand, fear, suffering, death and blood to appease them? When you think about it it's not a very nice answer that you come up with, is it?

He also, apparantly asked for blood to be poured out on the ground.

He asked for blood to be 'painted' around door frames.

I suggest 'he' and his 'inventors' had no respect for blood and more importantly no respect for life itself. Which is more important and more in need of respect, the life or the thing representing it. How is killing something to sacrifice to a raging bad tempered God in anyway 'respectful'?

Evil Gods demand evil things and the God of the Israelites and others nations allegedly demanded blood sacrifice.

Today, we would consider any 'God' or alleged God, who demanded a blood sacrifice as 'Satanic in origin'.

I think this should lead us to the real identity of the God of the Israelites and the reason why Jehovah and Satan are believed to be one and the same by so many!

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i remember the relief of the middle song toilet break but one time....

by grewupJWnoselfesteem78-95 in

jw
friends

as all you jdub ex children know the middle song meant a toilet break and a bit of a break from the madening boardem of the pubic talk ..... .

one time i went to the toilet late into the song ....... as i came in i saw only a few other kids at the urinal talking... i said "do you ever come to the toilet just for fun" they didnt answer ..... just had this stunned look on thier faces as they left in a hurry .... there was an elder around the corner and he had heard what i said .... he asked me " do you love jehovah".

he asked " do you want to go to the new world".

Gill

Faundy - To be honest, I'd prefer to sue my parents rather than the WTBTS!! How many parents were so stupid as to actually follow this direction fanatically?

The WTBTS is a damaging and dangerous cult, but the people who actually CHOOSE to join it are already damaged to start with and gift this damaging inheritance to their children, both physically and emotionally!

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Can raising a child JW contribute to later psychiatric disorders?

by journey-on in

i read about the high incidents of mental illness and psychiatric disorders among jehovah's witnesses and it .

started me thinking about why this is and how so.

then i made this list and realized how much a child's psyche.

Gill

I think my parents would have made me frantic and anxious constantly anyway, whether they were JWs or not! However, add to that lethal mix the mind bending control freakery of the WTBTS and you've got a 'fruit cake' in the making.

Five years of counselling later, I feel fine. But, my head's wired up wrongly and everything makes me afraid because basically, I missed out on the first 35 years of my life and the growing up I should have done, simply because of the control freakery of my parents, the WTBTS, my inlaws and the cruelty of people I had considered friends but turned out to be nothing of the sort. My realitys, as a child were constant fear and nightmares and no body grows up a relaxed and happy individual after a child hood of fear and stress. I was told that i had probably had nervous breakdown after nervous breakdown from the age of 8 until the age of about 39 and all caused by the bullying antics of the WTBTS, my parents, and those who chose to treat me in such a manner for their own reasons. But I knew no better than to allow it, after all a good little JW doesn't fight back......does she?

No child should ever suffer the upbringing of the WTBTS.

However, I like to believe that good can come from bad, so there is still hope.....even for myself!

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i remember the relief of the middle song toilet break but one time....

by grewupJWnoselfesteem78-95 in

jw
friends

as all you jdub ex children know the middle song meant a toilet break and a bit of a break from the madening boardem of the pubic talk ..... .

one time i went to the toilet late into the song ....... as i came in i saw only a few other kids at the urinal talking... i said "do you ever come to the toilet just for fun" they didnt answer ..... just had this stunned look on thier faces as they left in a hurry .... there was an elder around the corner and he had heard what i said .... he asked me " do you love jehovah".

he asked " do you want to go to the new world".

Gill

God, you've opened a can of worms with this subject.

Until recently, I still had great difficulty leaving any room with other people in it because I needed to go to the bathroom! Don't laugh!! I'm deadly serious here. My parents would not permit any going to the toilet during meetings and followed the Society's recommendation of training your children at home to not go to the toilet. I would ask and they would say NO! We would travel in the car for up to 8 hours at a time and there would be no going to the toilet. The pain I suffered as a child was immense but apparantly this was 'godly training'. A few years ago, after a kidney scan I was told that only one of my kidneys was still functioning and they did not know what the cause of the damage to the other kidney was but only 5% of it still functioned. They thought that the damage might be do to retaining urine and it back flowing up into the kidney and gradually destroying it. I often wonder if the 'godly training' was the cause of this.

I only recently stopped panicing if I needed to use the bathroom and leave a room with other folk in! Nearly five years of counselling and a great psychiatrist and counsellor who were both up to speed with the control techniques of the WTBTS, by the way, freed me of the mental anguish the Society caused me with their pathetic control freak ways and my stupid parents following them!

I believe we have had 'toilet threads' in the past and I believe I am not the only one to have suffered as a result of their NO TOILET policy.

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News from Mother ship

by jefferywhat in

1. bethel in ny suspect high level apostate, cant identify it but know its there.

2. major organizational changes about to start rolling out, one is changes to the "service committee" and titles, po to be done away with, thats all i know for now.

was told that if you are the sort of person that cant handle changes, you wont stay in the org for long.

Gill

Sounds like more shuffling of the deck chairs on the Titanic, to me!

No PO! That would be interesting!

If they can lose their own connection with what is happening in the congregatoins and claim that appointments of elders and POs are nothing to do with them then they can also claim that they don't have to pay out precious cash to victims of child abuse.

They're a bunch of crafty, cash grabbing buggers at the top of the stinking WatchTower heap of rotting manure!!

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The occultic roots of the WTBTS and 1799 to 1914 beliefs in Secret Societys

by Gill in

nice to be back!

i missed you all!.

i only have a few minutes to post tonight but have been studying cults, secret societies, occultic beliefs etc blah de blah.. i was rather shocked in my multiple readings these last couple of weeks to discover that 'secret societies', 'apocalyptic cults', esoteric belief groups etc share a common belief with the wtbts and i wonder if any others of you realised this.

Gill

Reslight - Who wrote Pastor Russells speeches and books himself or Mrs Pastor Russell.

For a start there is outright contradiction in two of your above quotes.

In 'New Creation' he supposedly says that people should get out of those organizations and describes them as 'unclean'.

In your quote of what he supposedly said in question 317 he says, (supposedly0 that he would say no unkind word about these organizations and he would nevery say anything against organizations such as the Freemasons.

So, what was Pastor Russells REAL opinion on these organizations and what were the opinions of whoever really wrote his books and his speeches, may well be two completely different people and ideas.

MRS Pastor Russell may well have been dead against Freemansonry as it would have taken her husband away from her far to often for her own liking and she may well have condemned these organizations in the books and speeches she wrote for him.

Things are not always as they seem and are rarely black and white.

Russell may well have been a Freemason which would not have been an unusual thing for his time.

He may well have had links to other organizations.

Whatever, he managed to produce a pseudo religion that turned its adherents into unthinking drones.