Posts by Bleep

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Quotes for the Newbies

by Beans in

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for those of you who are new around here and are looking for great watchtower quotes please visit us at http://quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com there are so many great sites listed here at the bottom of the page that ya`ll can click on for some great information!

and for those that have been there before come and see what has been added.. beans

Bleep

Why not just go to the Kingdom Hall and donate there?

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Homosexual Big Brothers OMG

by SYN in

ok, i don't see a problem with having a homosexual person looking after a child, but this quote caught my attention:.

themes of adult-child sex are common in gay publications.

the nation's largest gay publisher, alyson publications, which distributes "daddy' s roommate" and other books that promote homosexuality to children, also publishes books advocating man-boy sex, or pedophilia, including:"the radical case," which contains detailed information on how to engage in sexual relations with young boys, and "the age taboo," which claims "boy-lovers ... are not child molesters.

Bleep

Kingpawn said, "So everyone here who's straight (including you) is abnormal?"

Me - It has become a normal lifestyle or agreeable to add a gay person to many shows just to get ratings. There are gay people in the military as well. I do not agree that there should be one gay person on. The Bible condems Homosexuality.

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Add this to the X files!

by Bleep in

no elder will say you can not go to the authorities for this crime.. http://observer.org/apps/pbcs.dll/article?date=20020605&category=jwandsociety1&artno=206050002&ref=ar

Bleep

sf said, "'George', does any of this page look familiar to 'you'?:"

I am no part of that group. Just another Witness.

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If God Is Love...

by Windchaser in

and love is not jealous, and god is a jealous god, how can he be love?

Bleep

Windchaser said in his new topic, "If God Is Love...and love is not jealous, and God is a jealous God, how can he be Love?"

Me - Jehovah is a jealous God since he rightly deserves all our praise so we should not bow down to any other Gods or Nation.

Me again - We should not slave for riches but we should slave for our master.

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To perspicacia2 - Continued

by ItsJustlittleoldme in

i appreciate you still wanting to converse on the new 'side' topic that we seem to have started from your original 607 thread.

so, continuing on, you stated please note that all the men are imperfect.

(rom.

Bleep

ItsJustlittleoldme wrote, "1.) If god knows that all churches are run by imperfect men, why would god pick just one group of imperfect men above all others and state "These imperfect men are going to be my mouthpiece" whereas all the other imperfect men are tools of Satan?"

Me - I can't picture Jehovah saying that the other imperfect men are tools of Satan since the price for sin is death.

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THE BIG DEEELIMA FACING YOU KNOW

by MegaDude in

you know, a frequent poster here, is a mentally deranged semi-jehovah's witness with serious mental problems.

he has serious issues with the watchtower, thus negating his effectiveness as a jw.

he has no responsibility in his own congregation because he is regarded as "strange.

Bleep

NeonMadman said. "Standard Bleep answer: "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain". At least you're single-minded, Bleep."

And the Bible says,

"It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step. Correct me, O Jehovah."-Jeremiah 10:23, 24.

THOSE words were written thousands of years after humans were created. Jeremiah realized that up to his day, human history was a tragedy compared with the good start God gave our first parents.

Jeremiah's observation has been reinforced by the record of over 2,500 additional years of history since his time. The human tragedy has even worsened. What went wrong?

Misuse of Free Will

Our first parents lost sight of the fact that they were not created to prosper apart from God and his laws. They decided to become independent of God, thinking that would improve their lives. But this was an abuse of their freedom. They stepped outside the God-ordained limits of free will.-Genesis, chapter 3.

Why did God not just destroy Adam and Eve and start over with another human pair? Because his universal sovereignty and his way of ruling had been brought into question. His being Almighty God and the Creator of all creatures gives him the right to rule over them. Since he is All-Wise, his rule is best for all creatures. But God-rule was now challenged.

Could humans do better than being ruled by God? The Creator certainly knew the answer to that question. A sure way for humans to find out was to allow them the unlimited freedom they desired. Therefore, one reason, among others, why God has permitted wickedness and suffering is to show beyond any doubt whether human rule independent of him can succeed.

Adam and Eve brought suffering upon themselves and their offspring. They 'reaped what they sowed.' (Galatians 6:7) "They have acted ruinously on their own part; they are not [God's] children, the defect is their own."-Deuteronomy 32:5.

Our first parents had been warned that independence from God's rule would result in their death. (Genesis 2:17) That proved to be the truth. By leaving God, they left their source of health and life. They degenerated until death overtook them.-Genesis 3:19.

Thereafter, God permitted enough time for the human family to demonstrate fully whether any political, social, or economic system they devised apart from his rule would prove completely satisfying. Would any of these systems usher in a happy, peaceful world free from crime or war? Would any develop material prosperity for all? Would any conquer sickness, old age, and death? God's rule had been designed to accomplish all those things.-Genesis 1:26-31.

What the Passage of Time Teaches

History soon brought home the truth of Romans 5:12: "Death spread to all men." This verse explains that "through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin." When our first parents rebelled against God's rule, they became defective, imperfect. This defectiveness was all they could pass on to their offspring. As a result, all of us have been born defective, prone to sickness and death.

The passage of time also has revealed how horribly sin-laden people behave toward one another. There have been vicious wars too numerous to count, ethnic and religious hatreds, inquisitions, awful crimes of all sorts, and acts of selfishness and greed. In addition, poverty and hunger have victimized countless millions of people.

During the past thousands of years, mankind has tried every conceivable type of government. Yet, one after another has failed to satisfy man's needs. Recently, Communist governments have been rejected in many lands. In democratic nations there is rampant crime, poverty, economic instability, and corruption. Really, all forms of human government have proved deficient.

Further, God has allowed time for humans to come to their peak of scientific and material achievement. But is it genuine progress when the bow and arrow have been replaced by nuclear missiles? when people can travel into space but cannot live together in peace on earth? when millions of people fear going out at night because of crime?

What the test of time shows is that it is no more possible for humans to 'direct their own steps' successfully than it is for them to live without food, water, and air. We were designed to be dependent on our Maker's guidance as surely as we were created to be dependent on food, water, and air.-Matthew 4:4.

By permitting wickedness and suffering, God has once and for all time shown the sad results of misusing free will. This is such a precious gift that rather than take free will away from humans, God has allowed them to see what its misuse means.

Regarding free will, the publication "Statement of Principles of Conservative Judaism" says: "Without the real possibility of people making the wrong choice when confronted by good and evil, the entire concept of choice is meaningless. . . . Much of the world's suffering directly results from our misuse of the free will granted to us."

Surely, Jeremiah was correct when he said: "It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step." And Solomon too was correct when he said: "Man has dominated man to his injury."-Ecclesiastes 8:9.

Forcefully, that illustrates man's inability to eradicate suffering. Even Solomon, with all his wisdom, wealth, and power could not straighten out the misery stemming from human rule.

Source from Watchtower Library.

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Is There a HELL ??

by 67mustang in

according to revelation 20:10 the devil will be tormented day and night forever and ever along with the "false prophet".

i asked several jw's about this and the reply was "we don't take it like that" or "it doesn't literally mean that".

wether or not there is a hell it sure seams they are missing or ignoring something.

Bleep

Go back to my Gehenna post. The deep, narrow Valley of Hinnom.

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Is There a HELL ??

by 67mustang in

according to revelation 20:10 the devil will be tormented day and night forever and ever along with the "false prophet".

i asked several jw's about this and the reply was "we don't take it like that" or "it doesn't literally mean that".

wether or not there is a hell it sure seams they are missing or ignoring something.

Bleep

Bona Dea said, "The bible does support the belief of a fiery place of torment for those who are "sinners" and refuse to be any other way."

Me - I am sure you can supply those scriptures.

Me again - No Symbol of Everlasting Torment. Jesus Christ associated fire with Gehenna (Mt 5:22; 18:9; Mr 9:47, 48), as did the disciple James, the only Biblical writer besides Matthew, Mark, and Luke to use the word.

Bona Dea said, "The "No hell" thing was the only thing I found appealing at all in WTS doctrine."

Me - The other things like holidays were created by man and not Jehovah. All Saints day has been created as a day to celebrate Satan. Since that day is appealing then maybe the hellfire is too.

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Add this to the X files!

by Bleep in

no elder will say you can not go to the authorities for this crime.. http://observer.org/apps/pbcs.dll/article?date=20020605&category=jwandsociety1&artno=206050002&ref=ar

Bleep

Farkel said, "Dealing with finger-pointing twits like you is hard on my soul."

Me - That is why Jehovah's Witnesses are called locusts, it stings to know the truth.

Me again - A witness would have to point at one time or another.

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THE DILEMMA FACING APOSTATES

by You Know in

the dilemma facing apostate jehovahs witnesses, or apostate dubs, as i have dubbed them, (no pun intended) is the very fact of their seeming success.

one of the great ironies of the apostate movement, that presumptuously boasts of "know the truth about the truth," is that apostates themselves are bound by the watchtower's own interpretive shortcomings, and hence are massively ignorant of jehovahs judicial decisions regarding his organization.

in that the presumption in operation is that if enough scandal and error can be brought to light regarding the governing body, the watchtower society's teachings, as well as individual jehovah's witnesses, then that somehow means that jehovah's witnesses have no connection with jehovah god.

Bleep

Can't Forget about the Dead Sea Scrolls. Under the great prize sub heading you could find Jehovahs name in Hebrew after the Tetragrammaton. But I have no text that can show Jehovah's name in Hebrew. Its in some Christian churches though.

Dead Sea Scrolls-The Prized Find

ABOUT 15 miles [24 km] southeast of Jerusalem, Wadi En-Nar, a desolate, dry watercourse runs eastward down to the Dead Sea. A broken line of cliffs stretches behind the shoreline plain. On this plain, in the hot days and contrasting cold nights of autumn, the Ta'amireh Bedouin tend their flocks of sheep and goats.

In the year 1947, while tending the flocks, a young Bedouin shepherd threw a stone into a small opening in the crumbling face of a cliff. He was startled by the noise it caused, apparently by shattering an earthenware jar. He fled in fear, but two days later he returned and climbed some 300 feet [100 m] to enter through a larger, higher opening. As his eyes became accustomed to the darkness, he saw ten tall jars lining the walls of the cave, and a mass of broken pottery amid fallen rocks littered the floor.

Most of the jars were empty, but one contained three scrolls, two of which were cloth-covered. He took the manuscripts back to the Bedouin camp and left them there for about a month, hanging in a bag on a tent pole. Finally, some Bedouin took the scrolls to Bethlehem to see how much they would fetch. The Bedouin were unceremoniously turned away from one monastery, being told that the scrolls were of no value whatever. Another dealer said that the manuscripts had no archaeological merit, and he suspected that they had been stolen from a Jewish synagogue. How wrong he was! Eventually, with a Syrian cobbler acting as broker, their worth was rightfully established. Soon, other manuscripts were evaluated.

Some of these ancient writings opened up a whole new insight into the activity of Jewish religious groups about the time of Christ. But it was a Bible manuscript of Isaiah's prophecy that excited the world. Why?

The Great Prize

The newly discovered scroll of Isaiah was originally about 25 feet [7.5 m] long. It was made up of 17 sheets of carefully prepared animal skin, nearly as refined as parchment. Composed in 54 columns averaging 30 lines each, it had been carefully ruled. On these lines the skilled penman had placed the letters of the text, written in paragraphs.

The scroll had not been rolled around sticks, and it was much darker in the center where many hands had held it for reading. It was well-worn, with skillful repairs and reinforcements in evidence. Its fine preservation was due to its having been carefully sealed in a jar. How valuable is it to the Bible scholar, and, by extension, to all of us?

This manuscript of the prophet Isaiah is some one thousand years older than any other surviving copy, yet its contents are not greatly different. Said Professor Millar Burrows, the editor of the text that was published in 1950: "The text of Isaiah in this manuscript, with significant differences in spelling and grammar and many variant readings of more or less interest and importance, is substantially that presented considerably later in the MT [Masoretic Hebrew Text]." Also noteworthy is its consistent use of the Tetragrammaton, (which can not be shown correctly in this typing), God's holy name, Jehovah, in Hebrew.

Other Valuable Manuscripts

The divine name also appears in another manuscript from this same cave, now known as Cave 1. In a commentary on the book of Habakkuk, the Tetragrammaton appears four times in paleo-Hebrew letters, an older style that contrasts with the more familiar square Hebrew lettering.-See the footnote to Habakkuk 1:9, Reference Bible.

The cave yielded portions of another Isaiah scroll, along with leather fragments from the Bible book of Daniel. One of these preserves the change from Hebrew to Aramaic at Daniel 2:4, just as found in manuscripts of a thousand years later.

Small parts of the scrolls that are well preserved are now exhibited in Jerusalem, in the museum known as the Shrine of the Book. This museum is underground, so as you visit there, you have the impression of entering a cave. The upper part of the museum is in the shape of the lid of the earthenware jar in which the Dead Sea Scroll of Isaiah was discovered. Yet, you see only a facsimile of the Isaiah manuscript. The precious original rests safely in the storeroom nearby.

Source from Watchtower Library. Also a great find.