i have never been there!
where should i visit in washington dc while i am there?
thank you in advance for your recommendations!
First on my list, the Smithsonian, even if takes all my time there. I have no interest in memorials to dead people or buildings associated with government. It reminds me too much like visiting Bethel and their associated buildings.
I have worked in various governmental arrangements for 40 years, no interest. I know what goes on there, I don't need a tour. But an off the official tour route tour, maybe.
But that just my feeling.
u.s. supreme court rejects appeal by jehovah’s witnesses of 2015 california trial court ordersan diego, ca, october 24, 2019 --(pr.com)-- on october 7, 2019, the u.s. supreme court rejected the petition for writ of certiorari filed by the watchtower bible and tract society of new york, inc. (“watchtower”), requesting that the supreme court review a case filed by the zalkin law firm in 2013. in the case of jw v. watchtower bible and tract society of new york, inc. et.
al., the riverside superior court of california awarded the plaintiff, “j.w.,” a judgment of $4,016,152.39 plus interest at 10% per year after terminating watchtower’s defense, because it refused to obey the court’s order to produce files of known child molesters within the jw organization.
in 2018, the fourth district court of appeal in california upheld that decision.
Diogenesister,
I thought the WTS was supposedly paying $1,000 daily as a fine for not turning over those records.
https://www.6sqft.com/welcome-sign-will-soon-replace-the-iconic-watchtower-sign-in-brooklyn-heights/.
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Rattigan, I thought you were talking about non-jw residents and visitors of and to NYC being proud, not jws. I agree that jws treated visiting Bethel like Muslims viewing going to Mecca.
The Brooklyn buildings including the sign made JWs in NYC special
From that statement it seemed you were saying that people in NYC in general thought jws were special because of that sign.
our goal is to help our bible student to grow spiritually.. .
as his love for jehovah grows, however, he will likely begin to think about how he can help others, including those who are already part of the congregation.
(matt.
I freaked when I read this:
When the time is right, do not hold back from mentioning the privilege of supporting the Kingdom work financially.
I wonder how much that jw donated himself.
It's a long way from the days when the WTS said that if they had to ask for money, it meant that their god was no longer blessing them.
Or the comments by the WTS about other religions that had weekly collection baskets sent around during their meetings, or tithing showed that money was important to these religions than the people's spirituality. That contributions should be voluntary and confidential. Yet more and more the WT is laying out a guilt trip for jws if they don't donate. But as long as it remains relatively confidential, the WTS will not succeed. As one elder once said from the platform, it was easier for an individual jw to break one of the ten commandments than to break a twenty (speaking about tipping at restaurants during the convention).
He hard this part from the KM in 1980:
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/201981166#h=9:0-9:1296
The insert in the May 1980 issue of Our Kingdom Service provided good direction on the matter of tipping. It is not against Christian principles to express appreciation in this way for personal services rendered by others. (Luke 10:7) Although this is a personal matter, to neglect doing so where it is expected may cast unfavorable reflections upon Jehovah’s people. To illustrate: The manager of a motel who cooperated with the convention personnel and arranged for many of our brothers and sisters to stay in his facility expressed concern over a problem that developed. The waitresses in his employ had told him that they did not want to wait on Jehovah’s Witnesses as they left no tips. On one occasion, a party of Jehovah’s Witnesses arrived just before the restaurant was to close. Arrangements were made for this group to sit together and be served, despite the fact that the workers had to stay after closing time to do so. It was reported that the only tip left was a copy of a pocket-size book that was released earlier that week at the convention. While so-called fast-food eating establishments do not provide waiter service and no tipping is involved, in restaurants where such service is provided it is left to the brothers to consider leaving a tip where this is the local custom.
5 for god knows that in the very day you eat from it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like god, knowing good and bad.. .
genesis 3:22. jehovah god then said: here the man has become like one of us in knowing good and bad..".
for god knows that in the very day you eat from it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like god, knowing good and bad.?.
My husband always says this whenever there is a mention of Adam and Eve,
How could 2 perfect humans get fooled by a talking snake? How stupid (imperfect) is that? I'm imperfect supposedly and I would never talk to a snake!
did anyone else have a parent who could be described as highly narcissistic who was a jw?
how was that for you growing up?
which was worse - the narcissistic religion or the narcissistic parent?.
Narcissist non-jw father, narcissistic jw mother.
Yes, definitely my parents were worse. With you more time everyday, have way more control legally over your life, children are more emotionally attached/dependent on parents. It is easier to leave an organization than to put permanent distance and contact between you and your parents. People are always suggesting you should forgive and makeup with your parents just because they are sperm and egg donors; and not knowing the details and not entitled to them to judge if you have made the right decision.
just one left, my sister.
i haven't talk to her in over 15 years.
the rest are all dead.. i'm not counting my ex wife and all her family.... .
I am not officially shunned, but family members shunned us when we were still believing, husband elder, me pioneer.
Unofficially shunned even before we stopped attending
2 brothers
2 sister-in-laws
1 uncle
1 aunt
rest are dead
Is it worse to be shunned when you are a jw still or after?
https://www.6sqft.com/welcome-sign-will-soon-replace-the-iconic-watchtower-sign-in-brooklyn-heights/.
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I like dalliance, not what I expected, diligence.
dalliance--brief or casual involvement with something.
a former member said that elders told a relative of his after she was dfed that they would not be praying for her.
is that some kind of policy, or were they just doing their own thing in that instance?
taot.
Yes, stumbling is the universal answer when there is no scripture or worse it is supposed to be a "conscience matter." Even if it is only one person, rest of the congregation must dance to their tune; and of course, the elders will never name the person that might be stumbled or what that person's reasoning might be.
My experience, most often it was that particular elder's wife who did not like something I was doing. I would just point out the elders and/or their wives who were doing the same thing. Then it was dropped.
Of course, if you were the person who was "stumbled," you were told to overlook it and wait on their god to correct it.
https://www.6sqft.com/welcome-sign-will-soon-replace-the-iconic-watchtower-sign-in-brooklyn-heights/.
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I wonder where that idea came from, Rattigan350, that the sign made NYrs proud. The people in Brooklyn Heights found the WTS an irritant reading the Brooklyn newspaper, The Eagle. Just wondering. I don't think people in Manhattan were proud every day they saw the WT sign.
