every single watchtower soldier lied to god out of fear of the brooklyn popes..
@jookbeard,
I wonder how he got away with talking to others about his religion during work time. At all my jobs, I would have been warned to do it on breaks, lunch, and after work hours, or be fired.
Did he own a business and force his non-jw workers to listen to him?
perhaps not a topic for everybody... mine.. in both sp service in a foreign field in europe , the freedom and helping people to read and write in spanish .
doing a lot of work in the congregations.. in missionary-service.. helping congregations in a third-world country and see good results in family relations.
and the siestas from 13:00 to 15:00..... who has good memories of bethel?
I found that even the other regular pioneers just spent minimum time, 45 minutes, took a break for an hour, then called again on someone they had talked to before, probably 3 months before, that they knew would not be home. They recorded their time as starting from the moment they walked out their door until they walked back into their home again. I found it hard to copy their tactics and feel honest about it.
That's why I found reasons to go by myself, only 3 people/2 going out together/so I was on my own, only pioneers who made it clear I was not welcome in their group, only had time open to go when others did not go out. It was great after that.
What was that called, counting time not making time count
seems like the genesis song jesus he knows me.. g.. https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/?applanguage=e#en/mediaitems/latestvideos/pub-jwb_201910_12_video.
I wonder how far they had to search to find jws that could carry a tune, let alone sing together in unison and/or harmony. In the congregations I attended over the years, perhaps 1 or 2, maybe 3, could sing to qualify for selection by such a choir.
every single watchtower soldier lied to god out of fear of the brooklyn popes..
Yes, towards the end. No one cared, just turn in that time so that BOE did not look bad when the CO visited.
I knew a jw that no longer went to any meetings. After a visit from the elders, that person realized that it was just their time slips they wanted. So this person filled out one slip detailing how much "fake" time they had spent each month for the last 3 years, while not attending meetings. The service overseer accepted his slips and recorded them retroactively. That was all they wanted. Now the BOE looked good.
i think the wtb&ts publication titled "the kingdom interlinear of the christian greek scriptures" speaks for itself.. the word for word translation of the greek into english.. that publication does not even contain the name or word jehovah either in hebrew letters or greek letters anywhere in the word for word texts.. their is not one scripture in the n.t.
where christians ,followers of jesus christ are instructed to be witnesses of jehovah ,however there are something like twenty scriptures that explicitly state followers of jesus christ are to be witnesses of, for, and about jesus...
For many who post here, I will be preaching to the choir. But for jws or those who support the WT ideas, this could be as eye-opening as it was for me.
I tried, smiddy3, about 2001, to find where Jesus' followers were called jws, and was shocked to read Acts 1:8, where Jesus himself said to his followers after his resurrection that they were to be witnesses of Jesus. Note Jesus did not say they would be witnesses of Jehovah. (and I was using the NWT)
Acts 1:8
But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me (Jesus: emphasis by BL) in Jerusalem, in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a, and to the most distant part of the earth.”
(The WTS deceptively references the word “witnesses” to Isaiah 43:10-12, which was written to the Israelites at a time when Jesus had not existed.)
and Acts 11:26
After he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So, for a whole year they assembled with them in the congregation and taught quite a crowd, and it was first in Antioch that the disciples were by divine providence called Christians.
Notice that this was not a name given to Jesus' followers by non-Christians, but by "divine providence," by God himself.
And without making a list here of the occasions in the NT where Christians are told to be witnesses of Jesus, to witness about Jesus, never a mention to witness about Jehovah.
I invite people who think the Christian Greek Scriptures (NT) does, this is your chance to show us where I have missed the scriptures that do say to be witnesses of Jehovah and/witness about Jehovah. It might be mind-opening for you.
if the wording & context of a scripture is dismissed at the outset, then every statement and assumption which follows is implicititly false.
in the very first study article, the gibbering body continues to indoctrinate the sheeple to accept that over 500 people met jesus on the mountain - despite the blatant fact that 1 corinthians 15:6 says absolutely nothing about the 500 people being anywhere near galilee!
(matthew 28:16-20) however, the 11 disciples went to galʹi·lee to the mountain where jesus had arranged for them (the 11 disciples) to meet.
Rutherford put the name jws because he was trying to distance himself from Russell and his worshippers, and being identified with Bible Students. By 1931 there were several separate Bible student groups that had split off from the WTS. Very confusing to the general public. There are still some older people who call the members of the WTS, Russellites.
i have never been there!
where should i visit in washington dc while i am there?
thank you in advance for your recommendations!
First on my list, the Smithsonian, even if takes all my time there. I have no interest in memorials to dead people or buildings associated with government. It reminds me too much like visiting Bethel and their associated buildings.
I have worked in various governmental arrangements for 40 years, no interest. I know what goes on there, I don't need a tour. But an off the official tour route tour, maybe.
But that just my feeling.
u.s. supreme court rejects appeal by jehovah’s witnesses of 2015 california trial court ordersan diego, ca, october 24, 2019 --(pr.com)-- on october 7, 2019, the u.s. supreme court rejected the petition for writ of certiorari filed by the watchtower bible and tract society of new york, inc. (“watchtower”), requesting that the supreme court review a case filed by the zalkin law firm in 2013. in the case of jw v. watchtower bible and tract society of new york, inc. et.
al., the riverside superior court of california awarded the plaintiff, “j.w.,” a judgment of $4,016,152.39 plus interest at 10% per year after terminating watchtower’s defense, because it refused to obey the court’s order to produce files of known child molesters within the jw organization.
in 2018, the fourth district court of appeal in california upheld that decision.
Diogenesister,
I thought the WTS was supposedly paying $1,000 daily as a fine for not turning over those records.
https://www.6sqft.com/welcome-sign-will-soon-replace-the-iconic-watchtower-sign-in-brooklyn-heights/.
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Rattigan, I thought you were talking about non-jw residents and visitors of and to NYC being proud, not jws. I agree that jws treated visiting Bethel like Muslims viewing going to Mecca.
The Brooklyn buildings including the sign made JWs in NYC special
From that statement it seemed you were saying that people in NYC in general thought jws were special because of that sign.
our goal is to help our bible student to grow spiritually.. .
as his love for jehovah grows, however, he will likely begin to think about how he can help others, including those who are already part of the congregation.
(matt.
I freaked when I read this:
When the time is right, do not hold back from mentioning the privilege of supporting the Kingdom work financially.
I wonder how much that jw donated himself.
It's a long way from the days when the WTS said that if they had to ask for money, it meant that their god was no longer blessing them.
Or the comments by the WTS about other religions that had weekly collection baskets sent around during their meetings, or tithing showed that money was important to these religions than the people's spirituality. That contributions should be voluntary and confidential. Yet more and more the WT is laying out a guilt trip for jws if they don't donate. But as long as it remains relatively confidential, the WTS will not succeed. As one elder once said from the platform, it was easier for an individual jw to break one of the ten commandments than to break a twenty (speaking about tipping at restaurants during the convention).
He hard this part from the KM in 1980:
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/201981166#h=9:0-9:1296
The insert in the May 1980 issue of Our Kingdom Service provided good direction on the matter of tipping. It is not against Christian principles to express appreciation in this way for personal services rendered by others. (Luke 10:7) Although this is a personal matter, to neglect doing so where it is expected may cast unfavorable reflections upon Jehovah’s people. To illustrate: The manager of a motel who cooperated with the convention personnel and arranged for many of our brothers and sisters to stay in his facility expressed concern over a problem that developed. The waitresses in his employ had told him that they did not want to wait on Jehovah’s Witnesses as they left no tips. On one occasion, a party of Jehovah’s Witnesses arrived just before the restaurant was to close. Arrangements were made for this group to sit together and be served, despite the fact that the workers had to stay after closing time to do so. It was reported that the only tip left was a copy of a pocket-size book that was released earlier that week at the convention. While so-called fast-food eating establishments do not provide waiter service and no tipping is involved, in restaurants where such service is provided it is left to the brothers to consider leaving a tip where this is the local custom.
