Have you ever wondered how the WTS got away with having segregated congregations , especially in states that passed and enforced Jim Crow laws. The WTS reasoned that those laws did not prevent them from "preaching the good news." Just have segregated congregations and let black jws talk to the black people, and white jws to the white people. Problem solved! As laws started changing in the mid-60s, the WTS started slowly changing. But since black people were restricted as to where they could buy a home or live, they were segregated defacto. So congregations still remained mostly black or white. Also, the WTS did not want to "offend" the white people. There were not even many black people at Bethel. Many reasons for that. Even when I was still going, the WTS sent black elders and families to mostly white congregations and vice versa trying to break the color barrier. They pissed off a lot of white jws doing that.
Posts by blondie
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92022-05-04-Adjustment to Amount of Time for Isolation from In-Person Meetings!
by Atlantis in2022-05-04. announcement:.
adjustment to amount of time for isolation from-in-person meetings.. .
https://www.filemail.com/d/phdvcdkungxjpkn.
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Shocking Letter Reveals Jehovah's Witnesses True Beliefs! - YouTube 'xjw curious'
by Mace.Bean inyoutube's 'xjw curious,' pete corbeil, reads proselytizing letter written by a pimo jw who simply shares current watchtower teachings like no other jw.
use google drive link below to print your own copies of this letter.
(114) shocking letter reveals jehovah's witnesses true beliefs!
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blondie
Exactly, Disillusioned JW. One of my relatives, a young teenager, unbaptized publisher, slipped up and committed a df'ing offense and they announced that teenager should be treated as if he had been baptized when that person committed the offense. Our family were told we could not associate with him. We were always a little "rebellious" and had some association with "necessary family business" of course. Then the WTS reversed their decision, with this idea, could an engaged couple get a divorce, no because they were not married. Could then, an unbaptized publisher (really only "engaged" but had not gone through a marriage ceremony (baptism) be df'd? So the WTS reversed that. But the WTS did not bring up the change much in the publications, and new people came or young children of jw parents grew up, and knew nothing about this, and even argued me when I showed them the info in the publications. (This is similar when the WTS just stopped bring up their doctrine of a 7,000 year creative day and changed to "thousands, and thousands of years, even editing past publications and re-issuing the new books). Crafty, that WTS.
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1914- responsible for the biggest decrease in JW's?
by joey jojo intheres a couple of threads re: 1914 on the board right now and it got me thinking.. the jw doctrine of the 1914 generation is a key doctrine , yet it is probably the number one reason most have left over the decades.. 1975- within one generation.. 1995 - new understanding of the word generation.. 2010- overlapping generation first mentioned- some anointed survive armageddon.. 2015- infamous overlapping generations chart featuring david splane.. its obvious the org is changing the goalposts and constantly trying to squeeze as much time as they can before they have to abandon this altogether.
or will they come up with something new?.
does anyone else think this ever changing doctrine is responsible for the biggest loss of members?.
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blondie
TonusOH, very good answer, sums up the WTS thinking but how they can't resist even setting a date even after 1925. I remember one jw told me that jws couldn't know the "day and the hour" meaning literally a day or hour, but they could know the year, from 1966 up to 1975 when jws realized the end wasn't coming then. It also shows why the WTS had to come up with the "overlapping generation" doctrine.
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Are You Concerned About Inflation?
by Simon ini saw a statistic the other day that something like 25% of all the debt that the us has incurred since 1776 was created in the last 12 months.
that's because they have printed so much currency and instead of letting that stop them, they are going to continue printing more to go on a spending spree on crazy green-new-deal schemes and union handouts.. does anyone think that this can be anything other than inflationary?
they are effectively stealing the wealth of everyone to then hand money out to people.
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blondie
We have always tried not to spend every dollar we earn and accumulate, perhaps going deep in debt long before this. So things can increase in price and so far we can pay it and not wipe out our savings. Of course, it can get so bad for everyone that there might be no place to go for help. I can remember my German relatives who were adults during the period after WW1, and how a wheelbarrow of currency would not buy a loaf of bread. I hope it doesn't get that bad.
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What is "Brazen" conduct according to new 'Shepherd the Flock of God' book
by TastingFreedom inwhat is brazen conduct according to the watchtower?.
here are some references from the new flock book:.
they have really pushed the envelope to bundle a bunch of things into one really evil word.
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blondie
The problem is that the WTS says if a member perceives the WTSmight need adjusting or are wrong, they should accept it and obey and "wait on Jehovah" to correct it...I may not run around telling people in the congregation that the WTS or its representatives are wrong, but I certainly wouldn't obey them on that. I don't their god would like someone saying to god after he asked why did you do that, you knew what the bible says, "I only did what the WTS/elders told me to do." Their god would probably would say, Who do your worship and obey, me or imperfect men."
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I need help investigating this issue
by won2blv ini would hope that most of you would agree that a major reward for jehovah's witnesses comes from positive experiences.
and who could blame them since they have such a negative message with 99.9% rejection.
who remembers the fear you felt of being a "bad witness?
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blondie
I didn't worry, in the end god would judge me, not the elders despite the work around explanation the WTS has. The WTS says only god can read hearts and minds, and by permission from god, Jesus can. The elders can't say "we are imperfect, we make mistakes." Why put imperfect men in charge of judging people as being a "good witness" if their decisions could be wrong and lead to someone being cutoff from all jws, including family. I would say, "I'll take my chances with god (I was still a believer), he has the authority of deciding who lives or dies. It's not like he asks your opinion of who should live or die. I would be careful, if you knowingly DF someone who should not be per god, you would be bloodguiilty and find yourself not crossing over into paradise on earth." I could see the pursed lips that I a woman dared to say this to them. But as I said, their judgement was outvoted by god.
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Bad Associations spoil useful habits. Are the JWs right? Scripturally?
by Open mind init has been interesting for me to learn the various ways that the jws twist the scriptures to fit their own dogma.
(of course jws aren't alone in that, but that's another topic.
) two quick examples of jws not following or going beyond the bible are blood and birthdays.
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blondie
TonusOH, you are correct about that, the WTS interprets that Paul was talking about people in the congregation.
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Blood: When an Active JW is Health POA for non-JW
by JW_Researcher inmy mother has designated my sister as her ‘designated health care representative.’ my sister has sworn to my mother that, if my mother needs blood, my sister will not refuse it.
there are no anticipated (key word) needs for blood at this time.
my mother is in her early 80s.. my mother has never been a jw but is very familiar with all aspects of jwdom and understands the risk of my sister not allowing blood if my mother needed it.
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blondie
We had that situation when a non-jw family needed a HC-POA representative. We suggested that she get a HC-POA done and make very clear that she wanted a blood transfusion. One jw relative helped her for everything else in that person's health decisions, but she and my non-jw relative sat down with the doctor/surgeon/anthesiologist and filed a document stating clearly what the non-jw relative wanted. So the day came, she was going into surgery and the hospital/doctors followed her wishes. I don't know how that would be handled by the medical community today, but it is worth checking out. (We made it clear to the medical people, there would be need for us to step in and make a decision for her.)
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Introduction
by joao ini'm joão, from portugal.. i was a jw for about 30 years but i've stopped associating with them for about two years now.
and, lately, i've decided to dig deep and research about this cult!
oh boy!
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blondie
Welcome, Joao. There is a lot of material on here; but it is also up-to-date at this site and it is organized better. Happy researching!
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Start of the Great Tribulation will be announced soon
by joey jojo inat the 2021 annual meeting, samuel herd revealed new light and claimed the anointed will all have passed away before armageddon.
it has since been revealed that while they will die before armageddon, there will be some anointed still around that will witness the start of the great tribulation.. so the question is, how many years until the existing members of the governing body have passed away?.
im not a doctor, but based on their age and various stages of obesity, im thinking 10- 15 years- give or take, sounds about right.. with that in mind, the great tribulation could be announced any day.. the new understanding has now freed the org from the burden of having to identify a particular generation in relation to the date of armageddon.
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blondie
I wondered when the WTS said that anointed would be alive on earth after Armageddon, how could they be heaven for the marriage of Jesus with the bride of Christ. Since many of the anointed are quite young now, and would be still living on earth at the "great tribulation," they would not be there for the wedding. I guess the WTS realized how valid this question was. "They do not need to be marked for survival through Armageddon. Rather, they will receive their final sealing either before they die or before the outbreak of the great tribulation. Then, at some point before Armageddon begins, they will be raised to heaven.—Rev. 7:1-3. (Pure Worship book, p.180. Also, the WTS has said that the anointed in heaven would join Jesus in destroying the wicked on earth, and the anointed still on earth, would miss that too. So if the young anointed are to be in heaven between the start of the "great tribulation" and "Armaggedon." That means the young anointed will have to be "killed" or die an unnatural death to be heaven for the wedding at least.