Yes, the 2 witness rule works, but if others are participating it can be hard to point a finger at someone else that was there (take pictues haha). But publicly showing a Christmas tree and other decorations that can be seen by just driving by, hard to hide it and those people were not hiding it, basically told jws to stay away. But don't try to be "secret" and then post pictures of it on Facebook! I always thought, what would stop 2 jws from lying about witnessing the df'in offense? As if the elders don't go to the judicial stage and having made a decision already, not having even talked to the alleged offender...
Posts by blondie
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42What would happen to a JW for celebrating Christmas?
by Vanderhoven7 inmark jones writes:.
if they were spied upon and it was reported to the elders they’d be “invited” to a judicial committee whereupon they’d be cross examined in a locked backroom by three men acting as judge and jury to decide if they are guilty.. .
if the elders decide that they are guilty, they’ll then decide if the person is sorry.
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What would happen to a JW for celebrating Christmas?
by Vanderhoven7 inmark jones writes:.
if they were spied upon and it was reported to the elders they’d be “invited” to a judicial committee whereupon they’d be cross examined in a locked backroom by three men acting as judge and jury to decide if they are guilty.. .
if the elders decide that they are guilty, they’ll then decide if the person is sorry.
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blondie
Christmas can be viewed many ways by the WTS, many rules, 1) religious holiday but not celebrated that way by many. 2) religious customs considered pagan 3) not the real birthdate of Jesus, death more important than birth 4) can gifts any time of the year....But the only time I saw a family df'd for celebrating Christmas, had a christmas tree in the window of their house; had up christmas decorations as well. Seen by man jws, so they were "removed" I'm not sure if it was considered a df'ing offense or that they had disassociated themselves. So if jws keep it secret from other jws, and it can't be proven, well... (Remember just reporting not supporting)
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Covering up bathroom mirrors at the assemblies!!!
by nojudgement inthis was one of the craziest things i remember about the summer conventions.
i would go into the sister's bathrooms and the mirrors would all be taped up with brown paper so that we couldn't look at our reflections.
were were amish or something?
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blondie
I was at one convention and one woman tore back enough of the paper so the women could check their makeup and refresh it. Since the men did not go in there, and the women did not tell on that woman, no one was the wiser. The woman who tore the paper back, the district overseer's wife.
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How the JWs Handle a Member Visiting Another Church: What Is Your Experience?
by LauraLynn ini grew up a jw but my parents were not regularly attending services at a kh.
they used to, and were thoroughly indoctrinated though.
as is the jws habit of visiting non-attenders, 2 sisters came to my mom and dad's door one day to inquire of our well-being.
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blondie
The WTS waffles on this into 2 categories, going to a church as if a member 2) going to wedding or a funeral at a church. In many cases, the WTS says it is a conscience matter (and we know what that means, better not do and "stumble" someone) if husband not jw wants wife to go: Many convoluted "reasoning" ends up with not stumbling jw. But if a jw gets baptized in another church, that is considered disassociating yourself. WT 10/15/86 p. 31 "The elders, or shepherds, of the congregation might learn of a baptized Christian who has ceased associating with Jehovah’s people and who has apparently become associated with another religion. In harmony with Jesus’ words about being concerned about any stray sheep, the spiritual shepherds should be interested in helping such a person. (Matthew 18:12-14; compare 1 John 5:16.) But what if the shepherds designated to look into the matter determine that the person no longer wants to have anything to do with Jehovah’s people and is determined to remain in a false religion? They would then simply announce to the congregation that such one has disassociated himself and thus is no longer one of Jehovah’s Witnesses.
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Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body
by WingCommander inthis has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.
this is not a joke.
anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!
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blondie
I found these on jw.org today https://www.jw.org/en/search/?q=anthony+morris
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Did your witness family have a 'Thanksgiving' that wasn't on Thanksgiving?
by SydBarrett inmy family had several elders, ministerial servants, auxillary pioneers etc, so it certainly wasn't one of those 'barely in' families.
but in certain small ways, i think mine were slightly less hard line than some other families i've heard stories about over the years.
one example was the 'fall dinner'.
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blondie
Yes, on the Saturday after Thanksgiving...our generation of jws, finally said not doing it any more, hypocritical, our jw parents kept going to make granny happy, not their god evidently.
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"We're in the last days!"
by BoogerMan innot just jw's, but countless others (evangelicals etc.
) are claiming that we're in the "last days.".
but........bible students/jw's have been spouting this fake message since the 19th century!!!!!!.
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blondie
Reporting Not Suppporting: And the WTS refers to Daniel's prophecy of the image as humans being in the time of the toes of that image "A prophecy in the book of Daniel enables us to establish where we are in the stream of time. Daniel describes an image in human form made up of different metals. (Dan. 2:28, 31-33) It represents successive world powers that have had a major influence on God’s people, past and present. They are Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome—and the last, in our time, another world power. A study of Daniel’s prophecy shows that this final world power is depicted in the image as the feet and toes. During World War I, Britain and the United States forged a special partnership. Yes, the fifth part of Daniel’s image is the Anglo-American World Power. The feet form the last part of the image, indicating that no other human world power will appear on the scene. That the feet and toes are made up of iron and clay pictures the weakened state of the Anglo-American World Power." WT 2012 9/15 p. 6 So the human family is in the "toes" of this prophecy. There are many terms used other than "last days" from other Christian religions and all have their own meaning attached. WTS says this: "At the start of the last days in 1914, there were only a few thousand servants of God." WT simplified 11/15/2015 p. 25 But the WTS has many ways to say when it will be the end of the last days: Great Tribulation, Armageddon, cry of peace and security, attack on Babylon the Great, etc., all which have changed date/time over the years and will change again. So the term is meaningless if it changes all the time.
Perhaps the WTS will say that we are in the toenails of the "toes."
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Where Adam and Eve Vegan/Vegetarian?
by KerryKing injws seem to firmly believe that before the flood mankind eas vegan or at least vegetarian.. however, in gen 1:24,25 it says that god created livestock (domestic animals) and beasts of the eart (wild beasts).. why would adam and eve need livestock if they were vegan and naked?
wouldn't need wool or hide for clothing, nor meat for food.
possibly for dairy products only?
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blondie
A good discussion by an ex-jw about vegetarianism:
https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/animals-vegetarian.php
Vegetarianism: Past and Future
Watchtower teaches that God created humans and all animals as vegetarians, changing them only after Noah's flood, and vegetarianism is destined again for Paradise earth. This is despite scientific evidence that animals were meat eaters well before the existence of humans.
Vegetarian
Watchtower doctrine explains that humans and animals were created vegetarian. It was not until 1600 years after Adam's sin that humans and animals started to eat meat, at the end of the Global flood of Noah. It is not explained why animals commenced preying upon each other at this point less than 4500 years ago, or why some animals are so suited to being predators. This is a significant concept, when considering how integral the food chain is to all life around us. (continues)
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Crisis of Conscience available for free on Audible
by nicolaou ini'm unclear on how this has been achieved or if permissions have been given.
presumably, audible (part of amazon) have their own procedures to ensure legality, but here it is nonetheless;.
listen to crisis of conscience - raymond franz by crisis of conscience - raymond franz on audible.
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blondie
Glad to hear it works.
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Sad observation
by Gorb inreading about jw.org rules changes these days gives me a sad observation.. everything what "is" today, can be gone tomorrow.. that makes it all worthless.
you were an elder, searching for evidence, and proof to df a person.
because he or she was not humble enough.
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blondie
This is probably what the WTS uses to equate "removing" to "disfellowshipping."
WT 9/1/1962 p. 535
‘Remove the wicked man from among yourselves.’” (1 Cor. 5:11, 13)
...Paul did just that when he disfellowshiped Hymenaeus and Alexander for subverting the faith of some by false teachings.—1 Tim. 1:20; 2 Tim. 2:17, 18.