Posts by blondie

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Thoughts on annual meeting “new light”

by FFGhost in

so, i finally saw the annual meeting video part 2.. this is the one with the “new light” on who might survive armageddon, vs. those who do not.. in summary, for those of you fortunate enough not to have to sit through it, it’s something like this:.

old light: once the “great tribulation” starts, that’s it for non-jws.

the “door of the ark” is closed.

blondie

I found this info on Proverbs 4:18 and the justification of the WTS for their interpretation of this scripture and their being the only religious group that makes this application. It has been written by ex-jws with long experience with this teaching and why the application is wrong by using WTS quotes and reasoning from other scriptures is the WTS application supported by the bible.

https://jwfacts.com/watchtower/light-gets-brighter.php

Jehovah's Witnesses claim to be the only group to teach truth, as revealed to their Governing Body by Jehovah. If this is the case, why has Watchtower doctrine experienced ongoing changes? Watchtower justifies this as the "light gets brighter." This article examines the logic behind such a claim.

A key premise of this site is that constant changes in doctrine and failed predictions are clear indication that Jehovah does not direct Watchtower. For the external observer this is the logical conclusion, yet for one of Jehovah's Witnesses it barely raises a grimace. How can this be? Because changes and failures are immediately dismissed by the thought stopping concept:

Does truth change? continues

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Where Adam and Eve Vegan/Vegetarian?

by KerryKing in

jws seem to firmly believe that before the flood mankind eas vegan or at least vegetarian.. however, in gen 1:24,25 it says that god created livestock (domestic animals) and beasts of the eart (wild beasts).. why would adam and eve need livestock if they were vegan and naked?

wouldn't need wool or hide for clothing, nor meat for food.

possibly for dairy products only?

blondie

TonusOH, Yes, Isaiah 65:25 and 11:6-9 says something similar but the WTS changed their interpretation from it being literal animals to animalike people. In the October 1, 1992 Watchtower p. 19, paragraph 18, the WTS corrects their teaching of it being fulfilled on literal animals to this. It was quite a change and got jws to talking a lot about the change. "Of course, “knowledge of Jehovah” could have no effect on literal animals; thus these verses must primarily apply to people. The Messiah’s rule sponsors a global education program, teaching people about Jehovah and his ways, teaching all to treat their fellowman with love, respect, and dignity. In the coming Paradise, the Messiah will miraculously raise mankind to physical and moral perfection. The predatory, animalistic traits that mar imperfect human nature will be gone. In a literal sense, also, mankind will come to be at peace with the animals—at last!

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Jehovah's Witnesses came by today.

by 3rdgen in

this morning i was in our front yard sitting down pulling weeds when i saw 3 people slowly walking on the sidewalk in my direction.

2 of them were young, handsome, clean shaven, wearing nice crisp white shirts and perfectly tailored black slacks.

they could have been mormons except.... there was a 60ish portly woman wearing a frumpy dress and ugly sandals.

blondie

We have been not been involved for over 20 years, and never had anyone call on us door to door, nor have we seen anyone in our neighborhood, or had the neighbors mention jws being around, even before covid. I don't think our house is marked by the congregation not to call on, we aren't df'd or da'd. I don't think I would bother talking to them. Just wave them away without opening the door. No pearls before swine.

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Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body

by WingCommander in

jw
friends

this has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.

this is not a joke.

anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!

blondie

Riley, not culled. Since he is no longer on the GB, he has not been used to make any more new ones. Yes, good to double check something like that, that is how wrong info gets passed along and allows jws to discount anything else you might tell them.

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Are you glad you got the Covid Vaccine? Did it help?

by liam in

i didn’t get the covid vaccine, but i admit, i was scared as shit i made the wrong decision because there was so much confusion out there.

practically all my family and most of my friends took the vaccine because everyone was depending on those in charge to speak the truth.

now a lot of them are sick, and they can't figure out why.

blondie

I had vaccinations, never got covid, still haven't. It is not meant to be total immunity, but to keep any case less deadly, or a fewer symptoms. I grew up being vaccinated for small pox, polio, typhoid, diptheria, things that had killed many people before vaccines. My aunt lost a baby during her polio, my grandmother had to listen to her baby, choke to death from diptheria. My hairdresser had polio and recovered with no paralysis, but then at 50 developed a late blooming loss of some muscle use, and had to quit work. Yes, I saw people get shingles, people who had chickenpox as a kid, from the germ lingered to bloom forth later in life. Very painful sores around the waist area that last for a very long time. Several relatives and workmates had it, I saw it and the pain they were in. Some people today were born after those years and had no first hand knowledge of the harm it caused them and others.

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Would you be able to survive a three day Assembly?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

the last assembly i attended was over 10 years ago.

the monotone speakers, boring talks, uncomfortable seats, long prayers and nodding off after the lunch break did me in.

i survived the morning sessions, but the afternoon sessions were brutal.

blondie

I was barely walking when we went to a convention in NYC in 1955. I went to Pasadena in 1963 (114,000 at the Rose Bowl). Those were 8 days, with field service in the morning, afternoon and evening sessions. Slowly the WTS cut it back to 5, then 4, then 3 days and less going out door to door to invite people to the convention. I survived a lot, super hot in 1963, smog was still around and made people sick, seats were hard, we had umbrellas to protect us from sun, and large jugs of water so not to get dehydrated. The WTS had plumbed pipes with holes where water bubbled out in the outdoors. Just bent over and drank cool water, we went ever during the sessions. It rained one day and water flowed down the seats, but we weren't there, we went a sealife park. We took off one day and went to Disneyland. We were wicked. It was boring, and Fred Franz had the closing talk and he went over 45 minutes at least. We left before the end to beat the jws leaving. But Billy Graham was having a large group near by and it was the battle driving of the holy ones. We discovered tacos and had a swimming pool at our motel. It was fun then. But I was young then. But I remember very little from the sessions. I could never endure it now, my last day with anything WT was at a circuit assembly, where I left at the lunch break and never attended anything jw-related after that. I woke up that Sunday and did not have to go to an assembly again, or a meeting or "field circus" and could sleep in, get up and drink my coffee and read the paper, and stay in my pajamas. I was like being let out of a prison I had been in for 40 years.

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What would happen to a JW for celebrating Christmas?

by Vanderhoven7 in

mark jones writes:.

if they were spied upon and it was reported to the elders they’d be “invited” to a judicial committee whereupon they’d be cross examined in a locked backroom by three men acting as judge and jury to decide if they are guilty.. .

if the elders decide that they are guilty, they’ll then decide if the person is sorry.

blondie

Yes, the 2 witness rule works, but if others are participating it can be hard to point a finger at someone else that was there (take pictues haha). But publicly showing a Christmas tree and other decorations that can be seen by just driving by, hard to hide it and those people were not hiding it, basically told jws to stay away. But don't try to be "secret" and then post pictures of it on Facebook! I always thought, what would stop 2 jws from lying about witnessing the df'in offense? As if the elders don't go to the judicial stage and having made a decision already, not having even talked to the alleged offender...

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What would happen to a JW for celebrating Christmas?

by Vanderhoven7 in

mark jones writes:.

if they were spied upon and it was reported to the elders they’d be “invited” to a judicial committee whereupon they’d be cross examined in a locked backroom by three men acting as judge and jury to decide if they are guilty.. .

if the elders decide that they are guilty, they’ll then decide if the person is sorry.

blondie

Christmas can be viewed many ways by the WTS, many rules, 1) religious holiday but not celebrated that way by many. 2) religious customs considered pagan 3) not the real birthdate of Jesus, death more important than birth 4) can gifts any time of the year....But the only time I saw a family df'd for celebrating Christmas, had a christmas tree in the window of their house; had up christmas decorations as well. Seen by man jws, so they were "removed" I'm not sure if it was considered a df'ing offense or that they had disassociated themselves. So if jws keep it secret from other jws, and it can't be proven, well... (Remember just reporting not supporting)

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Covering up bathroom mirrors at the assemblies!!!

by nojudgement in

jw
friends

this was one of the craziest things i remember about the summer conventions.

i would go into the sister's bathrooms and the mirrors would all be taped up with brown paper so that we couldn't look at our reflections.

were were amish or something?

blondie

I was at one convention and one woman tore back enough of the paper so the women could check their makeup and refresh it. Since the men did not go in there, and the women did not tell on that woman, no one was the wiser. The woman who tore the paper back, the district overseer's wife.

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How the JWs Handle a Member Visiting Another Church: What Is Your Experience?

by LauraLynn in

i grew up a jw but my parents were not regularly attending services at a kh.

they used to, and were thoroughly indoctrinated though.

as is the jws habit of visiting non-attenders, 2 sisters came to my mom and dad's door one day to inquire of our well-being.

blondie

The WTS waffles on this into 2 categories, going to a church as if a member 2) going to wedding or a funeral at a church. In many cases, the WTS says it is a conscience matter (and we know what that means, better not do and "stumble" someone) if husband not jw wants wife to go: Many convoluted "reasoning" ends up with not stumbling jw. But if a jw gets baptized in another church, that is considered disassociating yourself. WT 10/15/86 p. 31 "The elders, or shepherds, of the congregation might learn of a baptized Christian who has ceased associating with Jehovah’s people and who has apparently become associated with another religion. In harmony with Jesus’ words about being concerned about any stray sheep, the spiritual shepherds should be interested in helping such a person. (Matthew 18:12-14; compare 1 John 5:16.) But what if the shepherds designated to look into the matter determine that the person no longer wants to have anything to do with Jehovah’s people and is determined to remain in a false religion? They would then simply announce to the congregation that such one has disassociated himself and thus is no longer one of Jehovah’s Witnesses.