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  "We're in the last days!"

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  not just jw's, but countless others (evangelicals etc.

  ) are claiming that we're in the "last days.".

  but........bible students/jw's have been spouting this fake message since the 19th century!!!!!!.

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  blondie

  Reporting Not Suppporting: And the WTS refers to Daniel's prophecy of the image as humans being in the time of the toes of that image "A prophecy in the book of Daniel enables us to establish where we are in the stream of time. Daniel describes an image in human form made up of different metals. (Dan. 2:28, 31-33) It represents successive world powers that have had a major influence on God’s people, past and present. They are Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome​—and the last, in our time, another world power. A study of Daniel’s prophecy shows that this final world power is depicted in the image as the feet and toes. During World War I, Britain and the United States forged a special partnership. Yes, the fifth part of Daniel’s image is the Anglo-American World Power. The feet form the last part of the image, indicating that no other human world power will appear on the scene. That the feet and toes are made up of iron and clay pictures the weakened state of the Anglo-American World Power." WT 2012 9/15 p. 6 So the human family is in the "toes" of this prophecy. There are many terms used other than "last days" from other Christian religions and all have their own meaning attached. WTS says this: "At the start of the last days in 1914, there were only a few thousand servants of God." WT simplified 11/15/2015 p. 25 But the WTS has many ways to say when it will be the end of the last days: Great Tribulation, Armageddon, cry of peace and security, attack on Babylon the Great, etc., all which have changed date/time over the years and will change again. So the term is meaningless if it changes all the time.

  Perhaps the WTS will say that we are in the toenails of the "toes."
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  Where Adam and Eve Vegan/Vegetarian?

  by KerryKing in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jws seem to firmly believe that before the flood mankind eas vegan or at least vegetarian.. however, in gen 1:24,25 it says that god created livestock (domestic animals) and beasts of the eart (wild beasts).. why would adam and eve need livestock if they were vegan and naked?

  wouldn't need wool or hide for clothing, nor meat for food.

  possibly for dairy products only?

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  blondie

  A good discussion by an ex-jw about vegetarianism:

  https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/animals-vegetarian.php

  Vegetarianism: Past and Future

  Watchtower teaches that God created humans and all animals as vegetarians, changing them only after Noah's flood, and vegetarianism is destined again for Paradise earth. This is despite scientific evidence that animals were meat eaters well before the existence of humans.

  Vegetarian

  Watchtower doctrine explains that humans and animals were created vegetarian. It was not until 1600 years after Adam's sin that humans and animals started to eat meat, at the end of the Global flood of Noah. It is not explained why animals commenced preying upon each other at this point less than 4500 years ago, or why some animals are so suited to being predators. This is a significant concept, when considering how integral the food chain is to all life around us. (continues)
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  Crisis of Conscience available for free on Audible

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'm unclear on how this has been achieved or if permissions have been given.

  presumably, audible (part of amazon) have their own procedures to ensure legality, but here it is nonetheless;.

  listen to crisis of conscience - raymond franz by crisis of conscience - raymond franz on audible.

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  blondie

  Glad to hear it works.
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  Sad observation

  by Gorb in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  reading about jw.org rules changes these days gives me a sad observation.. everything what "is" today, can be gone tomorrow.. that makes it all worthless.

  you were an elder, searching for evidence, and proof to df a person.

  because he or she was not humble enough.

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  blondie

  This is probably what the WTS uses to equate "removing" to "disfellowshipping."

  WT 9/1/1962 p. 535

  • ‘Remove the wicked man from among yourselves.’” (1 Cor. 5:11, 13)

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    Paul did just that when he disfellowshiped Hymenaeus and Alexander for subverting the faith of some by false teachings.—1 Tim. 1:20; 2 Tim. 2:17, 18.
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  The org's "new lights" - corrupting Proverbs 4:18

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  proverbs 4:18 says, "but the path of the righteous....grows brighter and brighter until full daylight.".

  the bible "light" doesn't get brighter - it never changes - it's a person's direction & course of life which gets brighter.. w11 9/15 p. 14 par.

  15 - "when spiritual light on some matter gets brighter, do you try to understand the underlying scriptural reasons for the adjustment?

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  blondie

  https://jwfacts.com/watchtower/light-gets-brighter.php

  Brighter or Changed (small quote who article is great)

  Regularly, Watchtower light is not brighter, it is vastly different than the past

  Proverbs 4 identifies that righteous people fare better than the wicked, and not prophetic of the Watchtower Society. However, let us entertain the idea that within this passage there is the prophetic foreshadowing that God progressively reveals truth to his people during the time of the end. This concept cannot apply to Watchtower history, as Watchtower doctrine has not refined but changed. Consider whether the following change is really a matter of doctrinal light getting lighter:
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  The boy who has cried wolf - for nearly 140 years!

  by BoogerMan in

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  2. beliefs

  "when will this hope be fulfilled?

  the bible foretold events that would signal that god’s kingdom is about to begin its rule over the earth.

  present world conditions match what the bible foretold.

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  blondie

  20th century quotes from jwfacts.com with quotes and locations in WTS pubications

  https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/quotes/20th-century-2000.php

  The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah p. 216
  "Shortly, within our twentieth century, the "battle in the day of Jehovah" will begin against the modern antitype of Jerusalem, Christendom."

  Watchtower 1984 Mar 1 pp.18-19
  "Some of that "generation" could survive until the end of the century. But there are many indications that "the end" is much closer than that!"

  "Let Your Kingdom Come" (1981) p.102
  "But now in our 20th century, we have come to the time for harvest — "a conclusion of a system of things, and the reapers are angels"!"

  Watchtower 1989 Jan 1 p.12
  "He was laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our 20th century." (continues)
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  Will there ever be any new GB members?

  by Mikejw in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the last two seem very young.. will there be any further new gb members or will they all die off?.

  i still remember when tony morris and a few other joined many were disappointed thinking the current crop would be the last.

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  blondie

  Beth Sarim, I laid a trap for them, simple, innocuous questions, until the last one dropped and they went silent. I had recent quotes from the WTS for them to see and asked how that fits? They knew they were lieing and that I knew they were lieing, but I did not say they were lieing. Theyconvicted themselves and walked away. I was wise enough not to try to get other people to realize that in the congregation. They would have to see it themselves in the words of the elders and the rest of the WTS.
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  How many JW in the 1920's

  by xaminewt in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'm trying to find out how many jw there were globally in 1924, 1925, 1926, 1927 and 1928. the watchtower of 1926 says that there were 25,000 in attendance at the magdeburg convention for the public address, but the same watchtower say that one the last day of the convention there were 15,000 present, so i assume at least 10,000 were interested persons - non jw.

  the watchtower 1955 says: "for this year of 1927 the number in attendance at the spring memorial internationally was 88,544, yet of these only some 18,602 were active as house-to-house kingdom announcers".

  these statistics would seem to imply that the majority of jw in 1926 were at the magdeburg convention.

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  blondie

  jwfacts.com https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/1925.php

  The converse occurred after 1925 came and went without incidence. Memorial attendance dropped by three-quarters, from 88,544 in 1927 to just 17,380 in 1928. (Watchtower 1955 p.366; Yearbook 1929 p.55) (Jehovah's Witnesses in the Divine Purpose p.313) It is estimated that as many as 75% of publishers left the religion and by 1935 memorial attendance was still only 63,146.3 It took until 1940 to once again reach the same number of Watchtower followers as the pre-1925 era.

  

  
  
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  Crisis of Conscience available for free on Audible

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'm unclear on how this has been achieved or if permissions have been given.

  presumably, audible (part of amazon) have their own procedures to ensure legality, but here it is nonetheless;.

  listen to crisis of conscience - raymond franz by crisis of conscience - raymond franz on audible.

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  blondie

  Perhaps the WTS saw this and contacted Audible and had it pulled?
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  Where Adam and Eve Vegan/Vegetarian?

  by KerryKing in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jws seem to firmly believe that before the flood mankind eas vegan or at least vegetarian.. however, in gen 1:24,25 it says that god created livestock (domestic animals) and beasts of the eart (wild beasts).. why would adam and eve need livestock if they were vegan and naked?

  wouldn't need wool or hide for clothing, nor meat for food.

  possibly for dairy products only?

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  blondie

  I did deep research on this some time ago, and concluded that the WTS did not say that jws had to be vegan or vegetarians at this time, and that other jws could make their own choice but not insist others had to. As to the so-called new system...nothing is clear per the WTS. As to Adam and Eve, Abel sacrificed some of his sheep to god in Genesis, so they obviously killed animals. Did they eat them, it does not say. As to why god let humans eat animals properly bled after the flood, the WTS has some guesses, but again the bible does not say. I'll try to find that research. The WTS has a pattern. June 8, 1976 Awake p. 14-15 "To the question, ‘Should worshipers of God be vegetarians?’ the answer must be that it is an individual, personal matter. If a person is convinced of the value of it from the standpoint of cost, economics or health, and finds it practical, he may adopt a vegetarian regimen. But he cannot find ethical support for his restricted diet in God’s Word. If he becomes involved in that aspect of vegetarianism, he is losing sight of God’s way of viewing things." AND August 8, 1997, p.18; "Because of health, economics, ecology, or compassion for animals, a person may choose to follow a vegetarian regimen. But he must recognize it as only one way of eating. He should not criticize those who choose to eat meat, just as one who eats meat should not condemn a vegetarian. Eating meat or refraining from it does not make one a better person. (Romans 14:1-17) Neither should one’s diet become the prime concern in his life. “Man must live,” Jesus said, “not on bread alone, but on every utterance coming forth through Jehovah’s mouth.”—Matthew 4:4."

  And Watchtower January 15, 2002, p. 23 "In order to thrive, sheep need human care. Abel’s occupation testifies that man raised these domestic animals from the outset of mankind’s history. The Scriptures do not say whether the earliest humans used animal milk as a source of food, but even those with a vegetarian diet can use sheep’s wool. And when sheep die, their hides serve useful purposes. To clothe Adam and Eve, for instance, Jehovah provided “long garments of skin.”—Genesis 3:21.

  In any case, it seems reasonable to assume that Cain and Abel originally cooperated with each other. They produced something that others in the family needed in order to keep clothed and well fed."

  As to the animals were vegetarians, the study of animals and their characteristics does not support the idea that lions and tigers eat vegetarian, their teeth etc. proves they are designed or evolved to eat meat. That's my opinion. BTW the about above, I am reporting not supporting.