Yeah, I also remember some disgusting fungi in a jar, and you were supposed to drink the swill that it produced every day? Does anyone remember that?
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Candida Anyone?
by looking_glass insince someone started a thread about "remember when there were pianos in the hall"?
i thought i would start this thread ... remember when everyone thought they had candida?
maybe it was just in il and wi.
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Why the Watchtower Society Interprets Genesis Non-Literally
by AlanF ina literal interpretation of this passage shows that the author of the passage viewed the earth as the center of the universe, with the sun and moon going around it.
just why does the watchtower society view passages such as in joshua 10:12-14 as not literal?
the creation account in genesis and exodus.
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ringo5
Thanks, from this lurker and occasional poster.
Another inconsistency with their interpretation strategy (if you can call it that), is that they will often say the bible is written from a human's perspective.
From Alan's postMoses wrote his account in Hebrew, and he wrote it from the perspective of a person standing on the surface of the earth. These two facts, combined with the knowledge that the universe existed before the beginning of the creative periods, or "days," help to defuse much of the controversy surrounding the creation account.
Also,
*** w75 3/1 p. 147 The Bible—Written by Men but Still God’s Message ***
22 If the human element were completely lacking from the Bible, we might also have great difficulty in grasping its message. It might be hard to see how we, as imperfect humans, could possibly gain an approved standing with the Creator. For example, if the record merely told us that ‘God is merciful,’ this would not be enough in order for us to understand just what this means. We humans need to have such matters expressed to us in ways that we can grasp. Being written by men, the Bible provides concrete illustrations from real life, presenting them from the human perspective. It tells us of humans who, although knowing God’s law, succumbed to weaknesses and became guilty of serious transgressions, the accounts at times giving us persons’ own words as to how they felt and reacted. At the same time we learn to what extent they were shown mercy.
Do you know any human that has said, "Wow, what a long day at work, I didn't think I was going to get through all 7000 years!"
The idea of 7000 years for one creative day, we are told by the WTS, is not from a human perspective, but from God's perspective.
But what indication is given by Moses that he means "day" iny other way but literal ( or from a human perspective)?
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A bit reluctant
by saki2fifty ini'm a bit reluctant in writing this post, for i dont feel i should be here.
even a bit nervous... .
i've never officially dedicated myself to jehovah, but i was brought up in the truth, very strong, and at times when getting older, there were lulls in my attendance... yet to this day i still attend.
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Hummingbird, make your visit here short, and sorry I dragged you into this. I'll be gone myself after tomorrow.
What? I already posted on that other thread you started (http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/118065/1.ashx), now you have to stick around and tell us how dirty you feel after the weekend
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What are you up to this weekend?
by saki2fifty inwell, i've been reading, and reading, and even more reading and just dont have it in me to respond (midnight here)... so... here's whats going on with me this weekend.. i live in houston, and scheduled a trip up to austin for the weekend for a little race that we are participating in.
check it out, its pretty cool.
its called the muddybuddy and can be found @ www.muddybuddy.com.
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Hey Arthur, I started with a tandem jump 3 weekends ago and did 3 more solo glides the following weekend.
Now I am desperately trying to plan more days out there. (1 1/2 hours east of Vancouver , B.C.) I've always been afraid of heights somewhat but still wanted to try it. It wasn't as hard as I thought because there is no terrifying edge at the launch pad, if you're not in the air by the end of the pad, you just keep running down the backside of the launch ( about 45% slope).
Once you're in the air, you sit back almost as if in a recliner and control the wing with 2 handles connected to the backside of the glider, while doing some leaning to turn. I was wearing a radio and listening to the instructor who just guided me pretty much straight down to the landing site (the area outlined in red in the first pic). The flight time was around 10 - 15 minutes but the idea is after you get accustomed to it, you can catch thermals or ridge lift and stay up as long as you can or can stand.
Current record is 263 miles in 10.5 hours!
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What are you up to this weekend?
by saki2fifty inwell, i've been reading, and reading, and even more reading and just dont have it in me to respond (midnight here)... so... here's whats going on with me this weekend.. i live in houston, and scheduled a trip up to austin for the weekend for a little race that we are participating in.
check it out, its pretty cool.
its called the muddybuddy and can be found @ www.muddybuddy.com.
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Hey saki, looks like you'll end up with mud who know's where...
I'm hoping to take my fifth glide this weekend. I'm taking up paragliding, It's a blast!
This is the first and only launch I've been off already..
and this is a view of the surroundings...
The tricky part for me is getting the kite over me correctly before running of the ramp, after that it's an amazing feeling!
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A bit reluctant
by saki2fifty ini'm a bit reluctant in writing this post, for i dont feel i should be here.
even a bit nervous... .
i've never officially dedicated myself to jehovah, but i was brought up in the truth, very strong, and at times when getting older, there were lulls in my attendance... yet to this day i still attend.
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What mormon? I must have missed this one.
This post
Your replied without answering the specific question "How would you reason with him while in the ministry, if he said he could not consider leaving the Mormon church no matter what you showed him, as he would consider that apostacy?"
I'm still interested in hearing a scriptural reply, and no doubt the many Witnesses that lurk here would also.
Also, this was your reply to jgnat...That's the beauty of it. I don't have to prove anything. The bible does it for me. But here it goes...
Matthew 24:45
"Who really is the faithful and descreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?"
Mt 24:42 sets up the series of scriptures that are metaphors, the "domestics" being the great crowd, the faithful and descreet slave being the WTS and some of the annointed, and the master being Jehovah...Wait, don't you know this already?
If you are in the field of logic , as you say, then you must know that this is not an argument, but rather a proposition.
An argument starts with a premise, in this case it could be Matthew 24:45, then a series of linking propositions (possibly more scriptures?)leading to another proposition, the conclusion. The conclusion you wished to make, WTS = "faithful and discreet slave", was not proven or even attempted to prove, only stated as fact.
Please note, that there are many current Witnesses and those studying with them that read these threads, so your logical argument or lack of one will go a long way in helping these ones.
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A bit reluctant
by saki2fifty ini'm a bit reluctant in writing this post, for i dont feel i should be here.
even a bit nervous... .
i've never officially dedicated myself to jehovah, but i was brought up in the truth, very strong, and at times when getting older, there were lulls in my attendance... yet to this day i still attend.
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ringo5
As for you and I as new members of this site, I say...Let's get out while we still can. I certainly intend to after this post.
*waves to hummingbird*
5 posts and counting, glad you're still here. Did you happen to read the letter from the (no doubt) sincere Mormon?
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A bit reluctant
by saki2fifty ini'm a bit reluctant in writing this post, for i dont feel i should be here.
even a bit nervous... .
i've never officially dedicated myself to jehovah, but i was brought up in the truth, very strong, and at times when getting older, there were lulls in my attendance... yet to this day i still attend.
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ringo5
Interesting how hummingbird tried to dissuade you from using your reasoning powers, as if God wouldn't want you to use one of his greatest gifts.
I'm pasting a letter from a Mormon website that illustrates this very same argument, the only thing different is the organization referred to as the true one. Note that he also prayed and got an answer.
This topic is very interesting. Being a convert to the church of 15 years. I have found and continue to find the concept of Anti-Mormon material curious. First that people produce it. And second, people actually read it!
If a "normal person" actually came to the conclusion that a church was NOT legitimate, they certainly would not invest any time writing, creating websites, producing videos and holding seminars about it!
Normally people just ignore or disregard things that are not true. People who go to this degree of effort have another hidden (or maybe no so hidden) agenda.
For individuals that start to question their own faith after reading "Anti-Mormon" material, probably have not done enough soul searching in the first place. And are actually a little naive.
If you worked for HP would you be suprised to find "Anti-HP" material written by IBM?
Would you be suprised to find "Anti-Honda" material written by Ford?
Would you be suprised to find "Anti-Black" material written by white racists?
Have you ever watched a TV talk show like a "Hannity and Combs" and noticed how two completely opposite views can be developed over the same issue?
It is a sad commentary that a man can be.."married about 27 years...very active-- ...worked in a
bishopric, as young men's president, done home teaching, been scout master and assistant scout
master, along with other callings." But during the course of all of these callings and years was never sufficiently converted and/or rooted in the gospel.
As a convert, the question was pretty clear. Either the Book of Mormon is true or it's not. Either God will answer my prayers or he will remain silent.
Before I was baptized, I read the Book of Mormon (not just the sections highlighted by the missionaries).
Then I actually prayed about it. When I prayed for an answer, I was fortunate enough that God answered my prayers.
The path to conversion is not an easy one. There is no quick fix to testimony. As a matter of fact it
continues throughout life. If all it took was a quick look at a video or a search on the internet to find out if the church was true, millions would join every day.
If I went to my spouse and told her that we should sell our house, or quit my job because of an article I read on the internet or as a result of some rumor I heard in the driveway, she would give me a look that only someone that really loved me could give.
I would suggest that your husband decide for himself first if he is actually interested and has the desire to "really" know for himself.
If not, all the blessings in the world wont help. Let him alone to work out his own salvation. Stop trying to manipulate his agency. Don't play into this quick fix mentality. Forget the scholars.
Defer, delete and rid you house any further discussions about the "Anti-Mormon" books, websites and material. Who cares about their tactics? If he were to bring a pornographic magazine or website in the house would you review it with him and discuss it's merits? Of course not!
Continue to live your religion to the fullest. Who knows maybe one day he may be inspired to seriously rekindle.
If or when he is really serious about finding out, he will take the strait and narrow road of the convert. He already knows the way. He has probably taught it to someone. He will need to practice what he has preached to a young man in your ward or to a family that he home taught. He will read the Book of Mormon then pray to find out if it is true or not. A testimony gained in such a way cannot be shaken by the internet, a seminar or even a well meaning but uninformed brother-in-law.
Be Patient,
PaulHere's the link to that page for some more amazing similarities in thinking patterns...
http://http://www.ldsmag.com/circleofsisters/031229testimonyprint.html
Cheers, Ringo5
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if an atheist does something good...
by DannyBloem in.
if an atheist leads good life with high moral standards, because he choice to do so and thinks for logic it is a good thing, does it not mean much more then when a theist does the same, because his gods tells him to do it?
what's your thoughs on this?
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ringo5
I thought some of you might enjoy Bertrand Russell's reasoning on this. He takes it from another angle, but he does assume that the writers of the bible were keeping the rules of logic in mind when penning that masterpiece...
The Moral Arguments for Deity
Now we reach one stage further in what I shall call the intellectual descent that the Theists have made in their argumentations, and we come to what are called the moral arguments for the existence of God. You all know, of course, that there used to be in the old days three intellectual arguments for the existence of God, all of which were disposed of by Immanuel Kant in the Critique of Pure Reason; but no sooner had he disposed of those arguments than he invented a new one, a moral argument, and that quite convinced him. He was like many people: in intellectual matters he was skeptical, but in moral matters he believed implicitly in the maxims that he had imbibed at his mother's knee. That illustrates what the psychoanalysts so much emphasize -- the immensely stronger hold upon us that our very early associations have than those of later times.
Kant, as I say, invented a new moral argument for the existence of God, and that in varying forms was extremely popular during the nineteenth century. It has all sorts of forms. One form is to say there would be no right or wrong unless God existed. I am not for the moment concerned with whether there is a difference between right and wrong, or whether there is not: that is another question. The point I am concerned with is that, if you are quite sure there is a difference between right and wrong, then you are in this situation: Is that difference due to God's fiat or is it not? If it is due to God's fiat, then for God himself there is no difference between right and wrong, and it is no longer a significant statement to say that God is good. If you are going to say, as theologians do, that God is good, you must then say that right and wrong have some meaning which is independent of God's fiat, because God's fiats are good and not bad independently of the mere fact that he made them. If you are going to say that, you will then have to say that it is not only through God that right and wrong came into being, but that they are in their essence logically anterior to God. You could, of course, if you liked, say that there was a superior deity who gave orders to the God that made this world, or could take up the line that some of the gnostics took up -- a line which I often thought was a very plausible one -- that as a matter of fact this world that we know was made by the devil at a moment when God was not looking. There is a good deal to be said for that, and I am not concerned to refute it.edited to add the link to the whole essay "Why I am Not a Christian"
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Tarot readers
by PrimateDave ini'm new to tarot.
i just got a hanson-roberts (similar to rider-waite-smith) tarot deck last week, and i have been getting familiar with the cards.
i also got a book, the complete tarot by teresa michelsen.
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ringo5
The card I got for this question was the Seven of Cups (not reversed). According to the LWB(Little White Book that comes with the deck), some of the keywords for this card are: Fantasy. Foolish whim. Wishful thinking.
Actually, that is a great description for that whole deck of cards! lol