Say it ain’t so!
In one sense it’s a no brainer because the figures just don’t add up any more.
In another (negative) sense it’s a no brainer because it’s been fundamental to JWs since year dot and might undermine the whole thing?
What do you think?
slimboyfat
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Rumour 144,000 literal number teaching to be abandoned at Annual Meeting
by slimboyfat insay it ain’t so!
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in one sense it’s a no brainer because the figures just don’t add up any more.. in another (negative) sense it’s a no brainer because it’s been fundamental to jws since year dot and might undermine the whole thing?
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Do you recognize this?
by Gorb inthinking sometimes about my youth days and the stories my grandfather told me about our jw congregation.
do you recognize that your congregation was full of somehowe strange folks, very low educated, poor and simple?.
the po was an elder with some distance, with some personality acting intelligent and following the rules strict.. there was always a kind of scandal.
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slimboyfat
No, I wouldn’t say so. There were some really bright people in my congregation. Two elders I liked a lot, both converts in the 1970s, with their wives. One was a heating systems engineer for hospitals who also like to quote David Hume. He had a very technical mind and was friendly too. The other was an electrical engineer for a large organisation. He could mend anything. Both their wives were bright too. There were other very intelligent sisters, including teachers and nurses and civil servants. There were former drug addicts, and they were intelligent and thoughtful people too, and turned their lives around after becoming JWs. Sure there were some odd characters and less intelligent people in the congregation, but it was a genuine mixture, including a number of interesting people from different backgrounds, in my recollection, though doctors or lawyers or academics are few and far between among JWs.
Through my association with Christadelphians, in recent years, I have come to appreciate that people in that community tend to have much better education and careers than typical JWs. Many are doctors and lecturers and professional musicians and so on. Unitarians are another step up on the social hierarchy, including senior academics, lawyers, and so on. Quakers are similarly middle to upper middle class, and include an inordinate numbers of teachers and lecturers. Seventh-day Adventists, at least in the UK, include a large number of immigrants from Africa who are doctors, nurses, and engineers.
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Listen obey and get vaxed
by JohnR1975 inthe truth is most active jws would probably agree that most of the teachings are not right, the new thing is that we just don’t know.. the governing body now say they get things wrong and make mistakes as they are not inspired and not infallible.
yet they are still to be trusted no matter what?.
they are not trusted.
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slimboyfat
Do tell us more …
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Listen obey and get vaxed
by JohnR1975 inthe truth is most active jws would probably agree that most of the teachings are not right, the new thing is that we just don’t know.. the governing body now say they get things wrong and make mistakes as they are not inspired and not infallible.
yet they are still to be trusted no matter what?.
they are not trusted.
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slimboyfat
Did it cause a lot of division? As far as I can tell, most were happy with the guidance from the GB during the pandemic and still are. It’s only a small minority who demurred, increasing slightly as the pandemic wore on, but still a small percentage. And some of those who came to reject the vaccines didn’t frame it in terms of the GB getting it wrong. I don’t totally understand how they made sense of it, but it didn’t seem to turn them into apostates, as far as I can tell.
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Listen obey and get vaxed
by JohnR1975 inthe truth is most active jws would probably agree that most of the teachings are not right, the new thing is that we just don’t know.. the governing body now say they get things wrong and make mistakes as they are not inspired and not infallible.
yet they are still to be trusted no matter what?.
they are not trusted.
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slimboyfat
lol good headline
We had a faithful sister in the congregation who turned anti vax half way through the pandemic after initial obedience and taking the experimental treatments the GB endorsed. You might think this could be a problem in terms of unity and obedience going forward, but unfortunately she died of an aggressive cancer a few months ago, and her best friend died of a stroke a year earlier, two weeks after her first vaccine. (This was one of the things that prompted her vax skepticism.)
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lets imagine big A really does happen...
by stan livedeath inlets imagine the watchtower idea of armageddon really does happen in the next couple of years.... and afterwards jehovah says to the gb.
" right guys--ive done my part--its all over to you now.
see you again in 1000 years time ".
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NO SUPPORT FOR EXJWS DRAFTED IN UKRAINE
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/ulan2hhagz8?si=jpedzunzb5o_6axd.
here’s a cautionary tale for anyone counting on past ties with jehovah’s witnesses to dodge conscription: they’ll throw you under the bus faster than you can say “conscientious objector.” a man in ukraine learned this the hard way after refusing military service and hoping his old religious connections would save him.
spoiler alert—they didn’t.
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slimboyfat
The problem for Russia is that the invasion has dragged on for far too long and cost them significantly.
The power of propaganda right there.
The reality:
https://www.ft.com/content/21a5be9c-afaa-495f-b7af-cf937093144d
The US is struggling to fund a war its people don’t want. It is the US and the west that has lost friends and influence as a result of this unnecessary war.
I don't think it will lead to WW3.
We can but hope, but the idea it is a risk worth taking is just insane.
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NO SUPPORT FOR EXJWS DRAFTED IN UKRAINE
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/ulan2hhagz8?si=jpedzunzb5o_6axd.
here’s a cautionary tale for anyone counting on past ties with jehovah’s witnesses to dodge conscription: they’ll throw you under the bus faster than you can say “conscientious objector.” a man in ukraine learned this the hard way after refusing military service and hoping his old religious connections would save him.
spoiler alert—they didn’t.
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slimboyfat
Of course the US and its allies are guilty of unspeakable crimes. Do you know anything about what they did in Iraq, in Fallujah, Abu Graib, and elsewhere, over a million dead on the basis of lies? Do you know anything about the history of US interference in Haiti? Russia has a long way to go to come anywhere close to the scale and depravity of US foreign “interventions” as they euphemistically term their illegal wars. The rest of the world knows this all too well which is why the US and its allies talking about “human rights” is increasingly met with the derision it deserves. Power is slipping away and the mask is coming off.
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NO SUPPORT FOR EXJWS DRAFTED IN UKRAINE
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/ulan2hhagz8?si=jpedzunzb5o_6axd.
here’s a cautionary tale for anyone counting on past ties with jehovah’s witnesses to dodge conscription: they’ll throw you under the bus faster than you can say “conscientious objector.” a man in ukraine learned this the hard way after refusing military service and hoping his old religious connections would save him.
spoiler alert—they didn’t.
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slimboyfat
Has Russia treated Ukraine worse than the US has treated Haiti, or Iraq, for example? Or is it only other countries that should be held up to basic standards such as not invading other countries or interfering in their affairs? The hypocrisy is so blatant it takes a lifetime of indoctrination by western media not to see it, and even then the propaganda is beginning to fail.
For me a real wake up call was when the US blew up the Russian pipeline and all the western media colluded in pretending the Russians did it to themselves, a proposition so audacious in its propaganda that it was hard to believe anyone could say it with a straight face. Nobody outside of the western propaganda bubble believed it. I don’t know if it was Seymour Hersh or someone else who said that even a goat herder in Mongolia is aware who blew up the pipeline, but the average citizen in the west doesn’t know. That’s how powerful the propaganda is. You had to be a reader of the New York Times or a viewer of BBC to be convinced not to see reality. Never has Mark Twain’s comment be more true: if you don’t read the paper you are uninformed, and if you do read the paper you are misinformed.
I don’t think anyone would argue that Russia has treated Ukraine well, the point is that it didn’t need to come to this if the US wasn’t as hellbent on projecting its power across the planet.
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Thought For the Day - for PIMI JW's
by BoogerMan inwhich name does the evil faithful slave's literature demand that you focus on - jehovah or jesus?.
do jesus & the bible agree with the org's obsession with the name 'jehovah', or was jesus just being presumptuous?
(matthew 10:22) and you will be objects of hatred by all people on account and whoever receives one such young child on the basis of my name receives me.... (matthew 18:20) for where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there i am in their midst.”.
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slimboyfat
I intended to say that God cannot die and therefore Jesus is first and last in a different sense than God is alpha and omega, because the title “first and last” is tied with Jesus’ resurrection in Rev 1. Both Rev 21.6 and Rev 22.13 seem to be God speaking.