Posts by slimboyfat

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Watchtower Used to Teach Jesus Was Not an Angel and was "the Lord from Heaven" Who Died on a Cross!

by Sea Breeze in

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no wonder they instructed congregation elders to throw away old literature from kingdon hall libraries.

slimboyfat

What’s not true?

The modern versions listed here omit the word “Lord”, apart from the Amplified Bible that puts it in square brackets.

https://biblehub.com/parallel/1_corinthians/15-47.htm

Which modern English version do you say includes the word “Lord”?

The earliest MSS, including Vaticanus and Sinaiticus omit “Lord”, and modern critical editions of the Greek New Testament omit the word too: NA28, UBS5, Tyndale. That’s the reason modern versions don’t include the word in the text.

Nevertheless, Jehovah’s Witnesses believe Jesus is Lord and would have no trouble saying so then or now, or quoting the King James in this verse, as they often did in that period. They believe Jesus is God’s first creation and second in the universe only to God himself. This is what they taught in The Harp of God and it is what they teach now.

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Watchtower Used to Teach Jesus Was Not an Angel and was "the Lord from Heaven" Who Died on a Cross!

by Sea Breeze in

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no wonder they instructed congregation elders to throw away old literature from kingdon hall libraries.

slimboyfat

The quotation is taken from the King James Version which was used at the time. Modern versions of the Bible omit the word Lord in 1 Cor 15:47 because it is absent in early manuscripts. Regardless of the reading of this verse Jehovah’s Witnesses, as also the early Christians, acknowledge Jesus as Lord.

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Watchtower Used to Teach Jesus Was Not an Angel and was "the Lord from Heaven" Who Died on a Cross!

by Sea Breeze in

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no wonder they instructed congregation elders to throw away old literature from kingdon hall libraries.

slimboyfat

In the preceding pages the book explains that Jesus was God’s first creation and a separate being from God. In paragraph 170 it explains that Jesus was not incarnated and was not a spirit creature while on earth but was a man, and that is why the idea of incarnation is false.

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Worldwide Benefits ( USELESSNESS ) of Cart Witnessing

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

library.

meeting workbooks.

life and ministry meeting workbook | november 2018. .

slimboyfat

The effect is hard to quantify because there will be people who have been influenced to return to JWs just because of the increased visibility in the community and the reminder that JWs are still around that the carts provide for POMI people out there. Plus advertising like this has an effect on the public in general in gaining recognition and acceptance for a message over a long period that again is hard to quantify. Persistence is paramount in any advertising campaign and JWs certainly have that.

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JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES IN THE BRITISH PRESS. "THE JEHOVAHS WITNESS CON" 8/3/2024

by Balaamsass2 in

new story on google news search today 8/3 for "jehovah".

dorsett eye: "the jehovahs witness con".

jehovah witnesses are hypocrites and false prophets who are conning themselves".

slimboyfat

Sounds like ChatGPT

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What would happen if the religion just straight out gets outed as bad? The ORG admits to it and all the members get told to disperse

by Starlight.vee in

like the org just gives up and comes out saying that all of what they are saying is untrue and that there is no armageddon, nothing.

how do y’all think the the members still in it would react?.

there be a mental health crisis i perhaps.

slimboyfat

Really? Examples please Slim'.

The new drama of Jesus’ life is well produced. The talks and videos about the gospels had lots of interesting background information about composition, manuscripts and so on. The visuals from Israel (aka “The Land of Jesus”) were stunning. The talks were fast-paced and informative rather than old-style haranguing. The new Jesus song at the end was pretty good. Most of the time it kept my attention in a way that previous conventions didn’t, even when I was a firm believer.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

jw
friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

slimboyfat

Come to that, isn’t it pretty remarkable that, over two years after the scandal broke, he still seems to be unable to find anyone both worthy and willing to share presenting his videos? He probably has fans who are willing to do it, but they are too whack-a-doodle for him to invite onto the show, and nobody he’d consider good enough to do it is interested.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

jw
friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

slimboyfat

He was praising the latest district convention as a quality production in a recent video. Not sure who he’s intending to appeal to these days. He’s flailing without all the unpaid workers he became accustomed to using.

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Will Governing Body follow through with New Zealand Royal Commission's recommendation to publicly apologize?

by was a new boy in

'following on from an apology from the prime minister, the commission recommends all faith-based leaders offer a public apology, including the pope, the archbishop of canterbury, the president elect of the methodist church, the moderator of the presbyterian church in new zealand and the head of each individual presbyterian support organisation, the general of the salvation army, the overseeing shepherd of gloriavale, and the governing body of jehovah’s witnesses.'.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/govt-takes-blame-will-apologise-to-children-abused-and-tortured-in-state-care/ar-bb1qwoyt?ocid=bingnewsverp.

slimboyfat

Interesting clip.

It looks like a case of: we claim all the authority, but accept none of the responsibility.

Isn’t it remarkable, too, that this new GB member can be so confident expounding the authority of the “faithful slave” of which he is now a part, when until very recently the idea of who comprised the “faithful slave” was different than the current teaching. It’s all very well saying the “faithful slave” can make mistakes, but when the official position is that the “faithful slave” was wrong about its supposed own identity for most of its existence, then it becomes difficult to brush that aside. If the “faithful slave” isn’t even sure who the “faithful slave” is, why should it be trusted about important matters?

Interesting that he mentioned the light getting brighter too. I’ve not heard that for a while. Is that still the official reading of Prov 4.18?

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What would happen if the religion just straight out gets outed as bad? The ORG admits to it and all the members get told to disperse

by Starlight.vee in

like the org just gives up and comes out saying that all of what they are saying is untrue and that there is no armageddon, nothing.

how do y’all think the the members still in it would react?.

there be a mental health crisis i perhaps.

slimboyfat

Quakers are still very much a going concern, I was at one of their meetings two weeks ago.

Christian Scientists are in steep decline and have been for decades. I can see them folding in the UK sooner rather than later.

I think JWs are doing a good job of keeping members and even attracting a few new followers, compared with most other churches. The latest summer convention is probably the best they’ve ever held in terms of the quality of the programme. They seem to be doing well.