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  State Intervention when parent and doc disagree on treatment

  by purplesofa in

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  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3080261/

  interesting the percentage of yes and no.

  i actually thought there would be more for yes.. purps .appqod060905 { width:460px;background-color:#eeeeee;font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 70%; font-weight: normal; line-height: 140%;color:000000;} .hedqod060905 { font-weight: bold;text-transform:uppercase;background-color:#000000;color:#ffffff; } .deckqod060905 { font-weight: bold;color:#666;padding:4px 0px 4px 0px; } .boxqod060905 { font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 70%; font-weight: normal; line-height: 140%;color:000000;;border:1px #cccccc solid; ;font-size: 100%; } .subhedqod060905 { font-size: 14px; font-weight:bold; } .headlineqod060905 { font-weight: bold;;}should the state intervene when a parent and doctor disagree over a child's treatment?

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  Aude_Sapere

  I caught part of this on TV this evening.
  
  There was a history of these same parents refusing blood for i think the same child.
  
  I think this situation is not so cut and dry - court taking custody because of medical decisions. There are often conflicting medical advise given by different doctors.
  
  I remember a friend who had twins. One was born with a heart defect. We called him 'cryin' ryan'. One pediatric cardiologist wanted to do surgery right away. Second opinion gave them very different advise: Wait until after 2 because better chance of child surviving the surgery.
  
  BOTH parents loved the baby. One sided with one doctor and the other favored the other's advise. It drove a terrible wedge in the parents' marriage and one parent gave serious consideration to taking the baby into hiding to prevent the surgery.
  
  Stories like these make me leary to let the government intervene. JWs and their blood policy help me lean the other way.
  
  I can completely understand the 51% v 49% poll results.
  
  -Aude.
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  It's my party and.................

  by BLISSISIGNORANCE in

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  ...............i'll enjoy if i want to!!!!

  yep, it's my birthday today and i'm having fun.

  going out tonight with my family for dinner and drinks.............how evil.

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  Happy Birthday, Bliss...!!!
  
  Thanks for including us :=)
  
  -Aude.
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  Name Some Trivial Things That Are Big Deals To JWs

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  so many things come to mind to show how silly jws sound in reality.

  for example, being allowed to pass the microphones is a big deal, especially to a young brother.

  or being given the "privilege" of cutting the grass or working on a "quick-build" is really something special to a jw.

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  Aude_Sapere

  Chaperones.
  
  Back around 1985 there was a group of 10 or 12 of us that wanted to go away for a ski weekend during the winter holiday break (Christmas). At 25, I was the youngest in the group. The oldest was probably 40 or 50. The problem was that we were all single. Aparently the elders were giving the organizers a hard time and telling them that the trip had to be cancelled unless a married couple went along.
  
  WTF??
  We all would have lost our deposits on the trip. And have had to stay home at that horribly depressing time of year.
  
  We ended up having to sponsor the 20-year-old and his 18 year-old wife to be our chaperones for that trip.
  
  Tell me. How is it that these teenagers qualified just because they were married? I thought it was absurb and I was too embarrassed to tell anyone about this silly religious rule, ever.
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  car pool?

  by carla in

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  how does the car pool thing work with someone who is going for the first time?

  he claims it is with two guys.

  i have seen otherwise on many boards.

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  Aude_Sapere

  Huh?
  
  I don't understand the CarPool / Baptism connection.
  
  Am I missing something here?
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  JW College Girl Getting DF'd For Going To Mormons For Love

  by minimus in

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  the new talk in the hall per my mom is that a twenty something year old sister is getting disfellowshipped because she's been attending the mormon church because she found a nice mormon boy that is interested in her.

  since there are no jw eligible men around, she has gone over to the other side and will pay for it with the announcement soon.

  word is---she just "needs" to get married.

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  Aude_Sapere

  Ick.
  
  It was rather icky reading all that. To think that I sat thru years of studies and took all that to heart...
  
  Funny. All my years in 'the truth' I was never interested in witness guys. Well maybe one or two caught my eye. But not much more. I tried but just wasn't attracted to them.
  
  I'll take my worldly guy any day.
  
  Mormon and JW sex. ICK. I've never had either. Don't want any, thanks.
  
  Aude.
  (Seems that we've digressed on this thread.)
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  ATTENTION District Convention Attendees!

  by RichieRich in

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  at some convention sites, there will be protests by apostates.

  at other conventions, apostates will covertly slip in and leave messages on cars.

  however, not everyone has the fortitude to protest nor the time.

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  Aude_Sapere

  As I commented on the other thread, you can print up a bunch of these and inconspicuously insert them in the front of various bibles scattered thru the convention. Just pretend you are looking for your own Bible/Seat.
  
  You would not want to put them in everyone and draw attention to yourself. Just a few when not too many people are around. Then hit a different section.
  
  Get in. Get out. Move away.
  
  I think Richie's checks would stand just as they are.
  
  Or...
  Someone could make up something similar and reference the UN thing for placement into the various bibles.
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  What is your greatest fear?

  by Podiatrist in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just wondering, my experience tells me that many jw live in constant state of watchfulness, bordering with paranoia.

  did any of that have an effect on you?

  like last week ive had a pleasure of browsing new childrens book great teacher or something (well it was new to me anyway) i was mightily surprised on the number of references to satan or devil.

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  Aude_Sapere

  Interesting. Thanks for sharing that.
  
  I was 'raised' in the organization. My parents joined when I was 10. I believed it was the truth and even full time pioneered (90 hours per month in preaching work) plus meetings and all that while supporting myself working full time. I was quite committed.
  
  Then I started noticing things that were just not right.
  
  Late 20's and early 30's I started to 'fade'.
  
  One day just up and left the Kingdom Hall. I didn't know the extent of the falicy until I found this site 6 months ago.
  
  The 'fear' that they instill in their members does indeed come close to paranoia, as far as I'm concerned. Not trained in psychology, but I know I had some pretty paranoid tendencies.
  
  The WTBTS paints a nice picture. But it's not real. And there is much lying and deceipt. More emphasis is placed on Appearance than Reality.
  
  I think that is possibly more damaging to children than the fear.
  
  There is much talk here of 'cognitive dissonance.' Many of us are in therapy to sort all that out. We have to relearn things that we believed were real.
  
  I'm sorry you are losing family to a cult.
  
  My father and 3 brothers are now out. Mother and sister are still in. My family will never be a real family.
  
  Cults Suck.
  
  Sorry for the wandering thoughts. It's late and I just let my fingers do the talking!!
  
  Thanks again and welcome. Look forward to hearing more from you.
  
  -Aude.
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  The KH and people in it make me so hateful

  by tsunami_rid3r in

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  2. friends

  so the brother who was suppose to do sound had to read the watchtower that morning so i had to do it b/c no one else who knew how to showed up.

  so there i was sitting through this boring talk that talked about entertaiment or something and i heard it all before so i started reading this watchtower that was laying on the sound system.

  then brother elder walked by and told my dad i was sleeping, and another brother elder walked by and told my dad i was sleeping.

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  Aude_Sapere

  **I hate this religion. It can make me into a violent person sometimes.**
  
  Actually, I can completely understand.
  
  And my comments were a little bit fantasy. I know the fine-line you are sitting on and you are absolutely right. You need to just lay low until you are settled in your dorm (or whereever you will live).
  
  The violent responses will hurt YOU the most though. Seems that there is less outburst than before. I think you are seeing something happier just ahead and that is helping you keep calm. Try to find peaceful and constructive ways to let off steam (deep breating, running, long walks, something physically exerting). The pent up anger will just end up hurting you in the end.
  
  Just a few more weeks and you'll be on your way!!!!
  
  Sorry it's so tough right now...
  
  Hugs.
  
  -Aude.
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  What is your greatest fear?

  by Podiatrist in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just wondering, my experience tells me that many jw live in constant state of watchfulness, bordering with paranoia.

  did any of that have an effect on you?

  like last week ive had a pleasure of browsing new childrens book great teacher or something (well it was new to me anyway) i was mightily surprised on the number of references to satan or devil.

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  Aude_Sapere

  I have many customers that are Podiatrists.
  Scattered across the US. That's why your alias caught my attention!!!
  
  I was looking for clues.....
  Thanks for posting!!
  
  What's got you interested in searching 'Jehovah's Witnesses'?
  - and I'm sure you've realized that this site is primarily EX-witnesses...
  
  -Aude.
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  The KH and people in it make me so hateful

  by tsunami_rid3r in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so the brother who was suppose to do sound had to read the watchtower that morning so i had to do it b/c no one else who knew how to showed up.

  so there i was sitting through this boring talk that talked about entertaiment or something and i heard it all before so i started reading this watchtower that was laying on the sound system.

  then brother elder walked by and told my dad i was sleeping, and another brother elder walked by and told my dad i was sleeping.

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  Aude_Sapere

  Call each one into the back room - separately.
  
  (sorta just kidding, but not really. You'd have to keep your cool. Might just set them back on their heels a bit.)
  
  'If your brother commits a sin, go lay bare his fault between you and him alone." - Matt 18:15
  
  
  He thought he found fault in you. He could have right to you. Little tattletale.
  
  Oh well. Whatever. You will be SOO ready for college by the time you get there!!!
  
  -Aude.