1. were among the first to respond to the tsunami of 2004 and hurricane katrina with food, water, shelter, clothing, comfort, etc.
and provided relief efforts to every person they came in contact with regardless of religious beliefs.. 2. point to jesus as the only source of true happiness in today's world of uncertainty.
3. utilise 'worldly' holidays to focus attention on god's love for mankind.. 4. welcome you in no matter how many tattoos or body piercings you adorn your body with.. 5. pray for everything and at a moment's notice.
Qcmbr,
I agree, it is interesting. They had to be baptized by water in Jesus name, but they had already received the Holy Ghost. Prior to baptism. This shows that the relationship with God is irrespective of a relationship to any organization or specific church. Cornelius' family had no such affiliations.
Respectfully,
OldSoul
1. were among the first to respond to the tsunami of 2004 and hurricane katrina with food, water, shelter, clothing, comfort, etc.
and provided relief efforts to every person they came in contact with regardless of religious beliefs.. 2. point to jesus as the only source of true happiness in today's world of uncertainty.
3. utilise 'worldly' holidays to focus attention on god's love for mankind.. 4. welcome you in no matter how many tattoos or body piercings you adorn your body with.. 5. pray for everything and at a moment's notice.
Qcmbr,
Jesus and Paul both referred to the body as a temple.
OldSoul
1. were among the first to respond to the tsunami of 2004 and hurricane katrina with food, water, shelter, clothing, comfort, etc.
and provided relief efforts to every person they came in contact with regardless of religious beliefs.. 2. point to jesus as the only source of true happiness in today's world of uncertainty.
3. utilise 'worldly' holidays to focus attention on god's love for mankind.. 4. welcome you in no matter how many tattoos or body piercings you adorn your body with.. 5. pray for everything and at a moment's notice.
Qcmbr,
I've met lots of christians who claimed that there was no need for any of the sacraments etc.., no need for structure all that was needed was being born-again in the spirit and thereafter they were saved. The thief on the cross was used very frequently to illustrate this instantaneous single point in time - the'saved' moment.
Add the conversion of Cornelius and his family to your list, so that we might have two witnesses.
Respectfully,
OldSoul
now, could you do us all a favour and read the replies to your post in the 607 thread?
there were a lot of questions raised by your comment and i think it would be a good witness if you would at least attempt to answer them.
two very important ones are:.
Sadly, in his haste to chuckle to himself up his sleeve Scholar has revealed himself as a troll. Repeating an annoying phrase is not something one of Jehovah's Witnesses who want to explain something would do. He uses the phrase in at least every other post now.
That is a trait that is unique to the Internet/debate troll.
For the forum, if ONLY Scholar celebrates the WT scholars, isn't his statement technically true? Since we can't know what Scholar celebrates except by believing what he posts, let us assume that HE celebrates them.
Just a thought.
Respectfully,
OldSoul
i am waiting for any jehovah's witness to offer support in scripture of these four articles of faith: .
(1) the faithful and discreet slave is a class of people, .
(2) that the holy spirit directs organizations in addition to individuals, .
Tor,
For some time now they have held that the wheat is the true Christian and the weeds are false Christians who seem to be true. While they have never excluded (to my knowledge) weeds from nominally being one of Jehovah's Witnesses (the ONLY true Christians), they state that the majority of the weeds are in Christendom.
If you think it sounds like they are already separated, you are right.
What do you think of Shadow and I finishing up the discussion from the old "a friend in need" thread?
Respectfully,
OldSoul
what would you have done back in the 1st century when jesus came on the earthly stage and started christianity.
would you have became his follower?
how about after he left the earth and christianity began to spread by means of the apostles, would you have been involved in the many congregations that were started throughout the area?
mkr32208,
I think that the edited quote above speaks volumes about MY stand...
That was very well done. I didn't realize you meant it as a joke, per se. I thought it was a well done analogy.
Comparison to other situations is lost on a JW because of the insular environment they are given. Everything is "Us and Them" so anything "they" say can be ignored because "they" are foolish and ignorant.
Respectfully,
OldSoul
what would you have done back in the 1st century when jesus came on the earthly stage and started christianity.
would you have became his follower?
how about after he left the earth and christianity began to spread by means of the apostles, would you have been involved in the many congregations that were started throughout the area?
Well, defd? How did your call to Headquarters go? Did they tell you that 1 Timothy 2:5 applies to you?
1 Timothy 2:1-7 I therefore exhort, first of all, that supplications, prayers, intercessions, offerings of thanks, be made concerning all sorts of men, concerning kings and all those who are in high station; in order that we may go on leading a calm and quiet life with full godly devotion and seriousness. This is fine and acceptable in the sight of our Savior, God, whose will is that all sorts of men should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all---[this is] what is to be witnessed to at its own particular times. For the purpose of this witness I was appointed a preacher and an apostle---I am telling the truth, I am not lying---a teacher of nations in the matter of faith and truth.
Try to explain, in that context, how it is that the mediatorship applies to only 144,000. That is absolutely the stand of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, and is absolutely the stand of the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses.
Oh yeah. I forgot. You yell, insult, and get overly sensitive when you are unable to demonstrate Scripturally what your organization teaches as truth. What you don't do is show Scriptures that make your case. You call Headquarters and ask their permission for your beliefs. If they disagree, your beliefs change. But they aren't masters over your faith, are they defd? Far from it! After all, you have the correct understanding of Bible teachings...just as soon as they give it to you.
I really hope you wake up from your stupor.
OldSoul
how many times have jw depictions of paradise shown cozy little gabled, shingled, lapsided, wood frame houses tastefully situated in front of mountain lakes without a hint of technology?
i've lost count.
i've always thought this picture betrays an unbelievable naivete about how technology works.
Some friends of mine are starting a business to support them in pioneering after they marry. Guess what business?
Floor cleaning
I didn't argue. It was no use. He thinks I'm an apostate anyway.
i need examples of the major doctrinal flip flops over the years.
1. sodom/gomorrah resurrection.
2. higher powers - ro.
Organ Transplants
Quotes has tons {edit: LOL @ Legolas! Quick with the keyboard, Speedy}
lately i've been putting a lot of thought in to what is rational and what must be relegated to faith alone.
ever since the scientific method was discovered, humanity has attempted to put it to work in so many areas.
after all, discoveries exploded once we were set free from the shackles of tradition.
Why should I not insist that Jgnat use the established scientific method (hermeneutics) to justify her faith? Do you deny 'scientific method'?
Because the cientific method requires tests that can never be done outside of the physical world. Therefore, the spiritual world is off limits to the scientific method itself, and all attempts to apply that method to the spiritual world or spiritual matters is going to include logical fallacies in its arguments that can be handily exploited and proven to be specious reasoning, whether the conclusions arrived at are correct or not.
The scientifc method addresses a path to a conclusion, and stands separate from the conclusions themselves. Since the spiritual cannot be established via that path, using that path to attempt proof of the spiritual is always disingenuous.
OldSoul
