Posts by OldSoul

Because you did not come forward, "like men" as you said, I must refer to you in the formal. Your Web site is en excellent example of black propoganda. I commend you on the elegance with which you purport to stand behind the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York and its decision to apply to become an NGO Affiliate associated to the UN/DPI. It is a thing of beauty.

The UN/DPI is the very mouthpiece of the Disgusting Thing that Causes Desolation, the portion of the UN which heaps the most reproach on Jehovah's name. It is the PR department for the Image of the Wild Beast, the section through whom compulsion to receive the mark will most likely come.

I could tell right away that you did not agree with what you wrote, but it will fool most Jehovah's Witnesses. Firstly, we have had direct instructions from the Faithful and Discreet Slave not to create such Web sites. Dead giveaway. You created such a Web site. Secondly, you know they admitted associating to the UN/DPI, yet you published and purported to defend their stance that they "registered." A registration is not an application. You do not "register" to Affiliate, Associate, or Partner with an organization like the UN.

You obviously know they did not "withdraw their registration," because you seem to be aware that there is no such thing as an NGO registered with the UN/DPI. The DPI Section consistently refers to the relationship as associated, Associate, partenered, Partners, Affiliate, and affiliated. Never once has the UN referred to the relationship between NGOs and the UN/DPI as "registered." I commend you for how well you point that out by contrasting terms from paragraph to paragraph, as though you really believe a relationship of registrant/registrar equates to Affiliate/Superior.

Due to the volume of content, you had me going for a while. Then I realized, you had to make it believable. You had no option other than to infuse the pages with a lot of emotion. But don't worry, in the meantime you make it crystal clear that what the WTS "admits to" is not at all what they actually did.

I love the way you bring out how evasive the WTS is without actually saying that! A work of art! You could start a very profitable enterprise doing this sort of thing, you would make money hand over fist. It is a gift, my friend, a true gift.

I mean, you constantly talk about how little proof there is of any malfeasance and then demonstrate there has been absolutely no comment that directly states ignorance on their part. All it would take to shut the mouths of any opposers or questioners is a direct statement regarding the ignorance of the Governing Body.

They surely imply ignorance, but implication is as far as they go. The obvious question is, why bother to create the impression of innocence through implication instead of claiming innocence through direct denial? You bring that paradox to the fore wonderfully. When I read, "...it can be explained quite adequately as a misunderstanding," I nearly wept at the stark magnificence. Obviously, that would explain it. However, inexplicably, that is not the explanation given. So the question becomes, if they could explain it that way, directly and succinctly, why don't they?

I believe that the WTS tries very hard to avoid direct statements that contradict what they know to be true. I believe they are much more lax when it comes to creating misleading impressions through omission or choosing words that poorly convey reality. I think you demonstrated that point brilliantly. Kudos!

I will be directing as many people as possible to your painstakingly crafted bit of sophistry. You show your readers how the average Jehovah's Witness thinks better than any other apostate Web site I have ever seen. The pitiable lack of deductive and inductive reasoning gives a perfect example of how the rank and file Jehovah's Witness uses abductive reasoning to excuse their own organization just as quickly as they use it to accuse others.

With utmost respect,
Watchtower Why?

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Bloody disgraceful behaviour of JWs!!!!

by Gill in

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friends

i think that this week i may have seriously reached the end of my tether completely with jehovah's witness, or those idiots that claim that they're the ones that are only good enough to live forever in god's new system and the rest of us are bird food!.

i have posted a couple of times this week about the horrible things that have happened to my husband's grandfather due to his money grabbing, jw daughter and that was all bad enough.. my eldest son, is now carrying on a sexual relationship with a regular full time pioneer and is staying around her house while her parents are on holiday.

i'm not happy with my son either by the way but at least he's not claiming to be anything he isn't.

OldSoul

Hello,

I am one. However, I won't be for long. It probably doesn't count. My wife is also a nice one. I hope she leaves soon, too. She doesn't fit in with them at all.

Respectfully,
OldSoul

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Watchtower Votes in United Nations Affairs

by Dogpatch in

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friends

watchtower votes in united nations affairs

after clicking on each one of those symbols listed and matching under the (watchtower) name, the reader found u.n. resolutions with a vote of (yes) located beside the words (voting summary) in scans #4 and #6. scan # 4 listed a vote of (yes) u.n. meeting no.

scan #5. if we had clicked on the 2nd un symbol that was located back on scan # 3, then we would come up with this page, which shows another (yes) vote by (total voting membership) or 015---------see scan # 6 (this scan)------------then scan # 7 will show what was voted on (found by clicking on (full english text) see this scan and last scan # 7----coming after this one.. .

OldSoul

EvilForce: I think WTS Demunz possessed his computer and posted it while he wasn't looking.

I wouldn't be surprised. The WTS said the Devil is responsible for me finding out about the UN/DPI Affiliation.

"The Devil, of course, wishes to undermine our faith and build doubt in our minds. We can be sure that he will provide something over which the doubter easily stumbles..." You can guess the rest.

I have no idea how they can compare that reasoning with Luke 17:1-3 and have no twinge of conscience pains. Ah, well. Let 'em have their fill now, in this period of time.

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Watchtower Votes in United Nations Affairs

by Dogpatch in

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friends

watchtower votes in united nations affairs

after clicking on each one of those symbols listed and matching under the (watchtower) name, the reader found u.n. resolutions with a vote of (yes) located beside the words (voting summary) in scans #4 and #6. scan # 4 listed a vote of (yes) u.n. meeting no.

scan #5. if we had clicked on the 2nd un symbol that was located back on scan # 3, then we would come up with this page, which shows another (yes) vote by (total voting membership) or 015---------see scan # 6 (this scan)------------then scan # 7 will show what was voted on (found by clicking on (full english text) see this scan and last scan # 7----coming after this one.. .

OldSoul

EvilForce: Um,,,, I along w/ 3 other witnesses are going to ask Dogpatch to be tossed out of this forum. He is stiring up hope and desires that the WTBS might really be that stupid. Damn him! LOL

In that case, EvilForce, you are hereby damned as a division creator! Out with you! Get to gnashing your teeth! And we'll remove your whole stinking committee if we have to, the Congregation must be kept clean of the idea that ... can't ... keep ... pretending ...

Har!

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still a lil scared but definately leaving

by OklaXwitness in

im leaving guys thank you "apostates" lol witnesses are a messed up cult i wish i had known about this sooner ive been raised in "the truth" im 16 im leaveing tomorrow

OldSoul

LT: You have our support, regardless - as best as "virtual" people can support an individual.

I'm real, dammit!

OklaX,

Edit your profile to clue us in on your gender, please. Don't worry, there are lots of each in Oklahoma. I don't think that will be enough for someone to identify you and spoil your surprise by tomorrow.

Jestingly,
OldSoul

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still a lil scared but definately leaving

by OklaXwitness in

im leaving guys thank you "apostates" lol witnesses are a messed up cult i wish i had known about this sooner ive been raised in "the truth" im 16 im leaveing tomorrow

OldSoul

OklaX,

I am hoping Steve (jst2laws) will come in and share with you his ideas about how to avoid any disfellowshipping. To do that, they would first have to have a legal right.

The answers to the two questions at your baptism are a publicly witnessed verbal contract with the organization. You cannot be bound to a contract you enetered into prior to the age of majority. If you legally renounce that decision prior to reaching the age of majority, you should be able to be legally returned to the same congregational status you enjoyed before becoming baptized.

Steve explains it better. He said you will likely want to seek out an attorney's advice.

Your Grandmother telling you that you might as well kill yourself shows how much confidence she has in Jehovah's ability to win his sheep back. I am sorry for you. I have been there.

We are very proud of you! It takes a lot of courage and many of those here have been through similar situations.

Respectfully,
OldSoul

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TOTA

by ArtfulDodger in

what does "tota" mean .

and why should i "re-read the bible from the beginning" because of that word ?

i was told this by a jw visitor - but the word was never explained.

OldSoul

mnb77: never see the word before

It is a Greek word. It is translated "then", "after that", "after these things", and "next" in most English translations. It indicates succession of events. Around 1994, Witnesses who are world renowned Greek scholars--just ask them---suddenly realized what the rest of the Bible reading world already figured out a long time ago. The word "tote" ( tot'-eh ) means at the point following a specific event in consecutive order, i.e. following immediately after.

They believe it is an extraordinary insight. Shhh. Don't spoil it for them.

Respectfully,
OldSoul

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Watchtower Votes in United Nations Affairs

by Dogpatch in

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friends

watchtower votes in united nations affairs

after clicking on each one of those symbols listed and matching under the (watchtower) name, the reader found u.n. resolutions with a vote of (yes) located beside the words (voting summary) in scans #4 and #6. scan # 4 listed a vote of (yes) u.n. meeting no.

scan #5. if we had clicked on the 2nd un symbol that was located back on scan # 3, then we would come up with this page, which shows another (yes) vote by (total voting membership) or 015---------see scan # 6 (this scan)------------then scan # 7 will show what was voted on (found by clicking on (full english text) see this scan and last scan # 7----coming after this one.. .

OldSoul

Randy, your willingness to boldly stick it to 'em is not what I love most about you. Your willingness to throw it out there for inspection, whatever the results, is what I love most about you.

A slosh of the steins for Randy!

I don't think it ought to be taken down. It is very instructive of the kind of site this is. Free exchange of ideas, testing one another's posts and arguments, staying friends despite it all. I think, in its own way, this thread speaks very highly of this forum.

It sorta' proves that identical thoughts are not required for unity to exist.

Respectfully,
OldSoul

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586/607

by carla in

did finding out that the 607 date was wrong matter to any of you?

and doesn't that in fact make all the other dates fall apart?

or did you rationalize and say what's 20 years or so?

OldSoul

Excellent point, undercover!