Posts by OldSoul

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Did Jesus ever use the name Jehovah?

by LMS-Chef in

just wondering.

OldSoul

I agree, Narkissos. I was pointing out that while there were many occasions where Jesus is pictured as quoting from Hebrew texts that contained the Tetragrammaton, that doesn't mean he said the name. I am aware that the NWT took gross liberties in adding in the name wherever a 1st Century Jew quoted from a Hebrew text that originally contained YHWH.

When those texts were read by a Jew in private the reader's eyes saw the divine name with profound reverence and awe, but in public it was not uttered. I agree with your assessment that had Jesus used the divine name publicly there would have been quite a row, and it would have been noted as were the examples of healing and "reaping" on Shabbat, as well as account of the woman being healed who suffered a flow of blood despite her venturing through a crowd of people and touching a teacher in an unclean state.

Respectfully,
OldSoul

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Right/Left Brain test (quick and fun)

by Double Edge in

jw
friends

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click on the link to see how you can handle a quick test to measure your concentration ..... http://www.njagyouth.org/colortest.swf

OldSoul

100% .. the instructions were clear. It neglected to tell me whether that makes me right or left brained. How say you, all?

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586/607

by carla in

did finding out that the 607 date was wrong matter to any of you?

and doesn't that in fact make all the other dates fall apart?

or did you rationalize and say what's 20 years or so?

OldSoul

Welcome Out of Eden!! Oh. Dang. You again... ...fly away home...

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586/607

by carla in

did finding out that the 607 date was wrong matter to any of you?

and doesn't that in fact make all the other dates fall apart?

or did you rationalize and say what's 20 years or so?

OldSoul

carla: No where in scripture is the wt named, except for being an antichrist.

To be fair, it also refers to them as false prophets. I'm just saying, ya' know, there is more than one reference to them.

Respectfully,
OldSoul

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Is e-watchman trying to ape JW.com

by uriah in

i thought i would troll down to e-watchman and ended up at the greasy spoon 'paradise cafe' link then i was re-directed to e-jehovahs-witnesses.com.

now that he has at last got his self righteous come-uppance and been booted out of the brownies it looks like he is trying to be an alternative jw.com, but will fail just as his ramblings have failed him.

OldSoul

Outoftheorg: DEPRIVE them of their god?

I didn't think so, but I just wanted to ask for the record. In case someone got the wrong idea from your post, that you were some kinda nut-job Theist hater.

I hadn't seen you act any other than you just posted, just wanted to make sure no newbies got the impression they'd thrown in with a bunch of Godless heathens. No need for them to get that impression at this early of a stage, eh?

Respectfully,
OldSoul

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Who Was Shocked By the Watchtower UN NGO Scandal?

by AlanF in

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i'd like to get comments from people about whether and how much they were shocked, surprised, or otherwise bothered by the watchtower society's becoming an associated non-governmental organization (ngo).. note that i'd like to see these comments because they might lead to some interesting publicity, so please comment accordingly.. alanf

OldSoul

selchie,

PM your address and I will mail you copies of a letter the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses sent to me admitting it. Or better yet, write yourself and ask.

Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses
ATTN: Writing Department
2821 Route 22
Patterson, NY 12563-2237

Better still, get your brothers to call and ask: (845) 306-1100!

BTW, Welcome!!!

Respectfully,
OldSoul

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Who Was Shocked By the Watchtower UN NGO Scandal?

by AlanF in

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i'd like to get comments from people about whether and how much they were shocked, surprised, or otherwise bothered by the watchtower society's becoming an associated non-governmental organization (ngo).. note that i'd like to see these comments because they might lead to some interesting publicity, so please comment accordingly.. alanf

OldSoul

I was outraged! I think that it is a very minor thing compared to the issue of child molestation in terms of actual damage done.

As far as detriment to the continued existence of Jehovah's Witnesses, this is more blatant and far more easily established. The cheek of it! For that, I think it is more important in some ways than other issues. Presenting their culpability according to their own standards in a provable way is so easy any six-year-old Witness could understand it, although "mature Christians" seem to have a harder time distinguishing between right and wrong.

Respectfully,
OldSoul

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Did Jesus ever use the name Jehovah?

by LMS-Chef in

just wondering.

OldSoul

For what it's worth:

Matthew 4 Then Jesus was led by the spirit up into the wilderness to be tempted by the Devil. 2 After he had fasted forty days and forty nights, then he felt hungry. 3 Also, the Tempter came and said to him: "If you are a son of God, tell these stones to become loaves of bread." 4 But in reply he said: "It is written, ?Man must live, not on bread alone, but on every utterance coming forth through Jehovah?s mouth.?"

5 Then the Devil took him along into the holy city, and he stationed him upon the battlement of the temple 6 and said to him: "If you are a son of God, hurl yourself down; for it is written, ?He will give his angels a charge concerning you, and they will carry you on their hands, that you may at no time strike your foot against a stone.?" 7 Jesus said to him: "Again it is written, ?You must not put Jehovah your God to the test.?"

8 Again the Devil took him along to an unusually high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory, 9 and he said to him: "All these things I will give you if you fall down and do an act of worship to me." 10 Then Jesus said to him: "Go away, Satan! For it is written, ?It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.?" 11 Then the Devil left him, and, look! angels came and began to minister to him.

Matthew 5 33 "Again YOU heard that it was said to those of ancient times, ?You must not swear without performing, but you must pay your vows to Jehovah.? 34 However, I say to YOU: Do not swear at all, neither by heaven, because it is God?s throne; 35 nor by earth, because it is the footstool of his feet; nor by Jerusalem, because it is the city of the great King. 36 Nor by your head must you swear, because you cannot turn one hair white or black. 37 Just let YOUR word Yes mean Yes, YOUR No, No; for what is in excess of these is from the wicked one.

Matthew 22 34 After the Pharisees heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they came together in one group. 35 And one of them, versed in the Law, asked, testing him: 36 "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37 He said to him: "?You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.? 38 This is the greatest and first commandment. 39 The second, like it, is this, ?You must love your neighbor as yourself.? 40 On these two commandments the whole Law hangs, and the Prophets."

41 Now while the Pharisees were gathered together Jesus asked them: 42 "What do YOU think about the Christ? Whose son is he?" They said to him: "David?s." 43 He said to them: "How, then, is it that David by inspiration calls him ?Lord,? saying, 44 ?Jehovah said to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies beneath your feet"?? 45 If, therefore, David calls him ?Lord,? how is he his son?" 46 And nobody was able to say a word in reply to him, nor did anyone dare from that day on to question him any further.

Now, these may be spurious texts. If we are challenging the validity of Matthew's account, that is one thing. Otherwise, Jesus quoted from Hebrew Scriptures where the Hebrew Tetragrammaton appears. It is unlikely, given the prevailing views of the time, that he would have said the name.

His audience was Jewish, except for The Debbil, and statements like "It is written" or "Have you not read" would call to mind the presence of the divine name in the text although he need not utter it. In this way, he could still properly claim to have made that name known.

Respectfully,
OldSoul

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Un-scriptural & Non-biblical JW terms

by ljwtiamb in

after a recent 'spiritual' discussion with a relative, it hit me that so much of the jw terminology is not to be found anywhere in the bible or, at best is taken totally out of context.

yet, it's by these terms & titles that jws approve and condemn each other, the entire world, and worse believe that god even cares!.

i can just imagine someone at the pearly gates, explaining to peter: 'yeah, but i was a "pioneer!".

OldSoul

{no longer necessary}

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Is e-watchman trying to ape JW.com

by uriah in

i thought i would troll down to e-watchman and ended up at the greasy spoon 'paradise cafe' link then i was re-directed to e-jehovahs-witnesses.com.

now that he has at last got his self righteous come-uppance and been booted out of the brownies it looks like he is trying to be an alternative jw.com, but will fail just as his ramblings have failed him.

OldSoul

Thanks for that example of what I was talking about, Outoftheorg.

A question: Since you acknowledge they "can't function comfortably without" a God, would you deprive them their comfort?