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  If pastor Russel had zeal at all it was at least in the beginning based on

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  honesty.from what i have read he did shed a light for a brief time.what we need is a true prophet to teach us.until that time comes i can only hope in those things not beheld.anyone reading ray franz will agree with me.if we give up as individuals what is that saying to satan.. i say we dont give up.jesus says to be always striving for truth and righteousness.hey people we are better than that.you all know who you are,lets not foresake our hope in the lord.no matter what even if we know that he is not coming in our lifetime should we not be as a fine servant rather than a ridicueling one?it is your call,but for some of us we are starting to feel our own mortality,ie.. getting older.at the very least why dont we trust in something.. iwe all know the gb is wrong or we wouldnt be here.sorry for preaching its just something i believe.opinions welcome

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  Please dont take my post the wron way. I just want to know what the mortality of mankind is and no-one has the answers.I DOAN NO NUTTIN
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  If pastor Russel had zeal at all it was at least in the beginning based on

  by ko38 in

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  honesty.from what i have read he did shed a light for a brief time.what we need is a true prophet to teach us.until that time comes i can only hope in those things not beheld.anyone reading ray franz will agree with me.if we give up as individuals what is that saying to satan.. i say we dont give up.jesus says to be always striving for truth and righteousness.hey people we are better than that.you all know who you are,lets not foresake our hope in the lord.no matter what even if we know that he is not coming in our lifetime should we not be as a fine servant rather than a ridicueling one?it is your call,but for some of us we are starting to feel our own mortality,ie.. getting older.at the very least why dont we trust in something.. iwe all know the gb is wrong or we wouldnt be here.sorry for preaching its just something i believe.opinions welcome

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  HONESTY.from what i have read he did shed a light for a brief time.what we need is a true prophet to teach us.until that time comes I can only hope in those things not beheld.anyone reading Ray Franz will agree with me.if we give up as individuals what is that saying to Satan.

  I say we dont give up.Jesus says to be always striving for truth and righteousness.Hey people we are better than that.you all know who you are,lets not foresake our hope in the LORD.NO MATTER WHAT even if we know that he is not coming in our lifetime should we not be as a fine servant rather than a ridicueling one?it is your call,But for some of us we are starting to feel our own mortality,ie.. getting older.at the very least why dont we trust in something.

  IWe all know the GB is wrong or we wouldnt be here.sorry for preaching its just something i believe.opinions welcome
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  How many of you still hope to live forever?and where,? based on what?

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  call me crazy but from reading the bible ,assuming one believs it its pretty plain at least the earth will stand to times indefinate.please if you have an opinion please give the support to it.. thanks in advance.. i dont know nuttin.

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  call me crazy but from reading the bible ,assuming one believs it its pretty plain at least the earth will stand to times indefinate.please if you have an opinion please give the support to it.

  thanks in advance.

  I DONT KNOW NUTTIN.
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  Devote Parents advice me to Disassociate.

  by chok in

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  can someone explain to me what this is all about.

  to those of you who dont know me, i starting fading a year ago now, cant believe just how quick that has gone.

  well i separated from my husband, met somebody else, who i have been living for a few months now.

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  it may mean they are going to df you.maybe its a good thing to beat them to the punch

  I DONT KNOW NUTTIN.............................if life is fine who cares?
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  The Watchtower's Dilemma

  by metatron in

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  dilemma (n.) - a situation involving choice between equally unsatisfactory alternatives.. .

  that's exactly where the governing body - and directors- find themselves.. they are becoming painfully aware of growing malaise and lack of growth in the organization.. in response, they could:.

  scream louder about armageddon being close ( not likely to work).

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  i am wondering if perhaps they will become even bolder in their usage of new light or light getting brighter.for example identifying the kin of the north and the king of the south in the watchtower.some believe the king of the north to be germany, south is iraq.by becoming more political in matters of the middle east they can focus the attention off of 1914.many believe today the 2nd coming will be precipatated by nuclear war due to struggles to gain lasting supplies of oil.if iran takes over iraq and saudi arabia they will have control over a good percentage of the worlds supply.Germany finds themselves reliant on importing 97% of their oil from other countries.this could very well cause an awakening of the sleeping jiant referred to in the scriptures. i dont know of course but it would seem easy for the GB to have their message of doom come from a source that has some real verafiable see it with your own eyes proof

  just 1 way,if i can think of one im sure they can. ive never been able to control more than 3 million people at a time myself anyway LOL
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  Question for Christians on this board!

  by Greenpalmtreestillmine in

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  do you believe the bible is the word of god?

  i ask because i believe it's important for searching jws who come here to not only learn if there are christians here but also to hear from them personally what their thoughts on the bible are.

  i believe the bible is the word of god, do other chriatians here also believe that?.

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  Hmm...to answer from my heart i would say absolutely yes.but i realise that my belief is based mostly on faith that god tells me it is so,or the writers of the book say it.either way it seams in mho to be true. science has verified many events in the bible such as the flood,large land animals now extinct due to their purpose being served to stamp down the earths soil.historians back up the fact of world powers, the destuction of cities foretold in the bible as well as the jewish historians who verify that jesus was on earth(they just didnt recognise him as savoir)i am no historian or scientist but i have read the writings of some.as far as the OT goes i have also wondered about the severity in wich GOD dealt with some people.however i attribute his dealing with them in this way due to thier not being spiritually blind, not knowing what to do or who to follow.they had the benefit of dealing with GOD directly.his commands were given directly to them.many miracles were performed by GOD.the people all had a chance to see firsthand what disobedience would bring.in our day it is difficult to find our way,but looking back does give us a model in wich we can follow.so for those that believe i feel we should look at the bible with a sense of joy because of the message of hope and the very validation that our existance has a purpose.
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  What do you Find Encouraging?

  by Golf in

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  it's refreshing and encouraging to meet polite people.

  people holding doors for others, people saying thank you and please.

  people who return their shopping carts in the stalls.

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  HONESTY.its very rare.the company i just started at admits their mistakes and stands behind their work even when it costs them a great deal of lost $ to do so.what a great group of people
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  thank you all for the welcome.some asked me to tell my story. heres the 411

  by ko38 in

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  my parents became jws in 1973. i was 6.my father was a very abusive person wanting to fight anyone and everyone.of course my mother and moreso myself usualy caught the brunt of his abuse.he whipped me with a belt i believe as hard as he could and did not discrimenate as to where he hit youie in the face legs back you get the picture.. well my mom was thrilled when he agreed to study the bible with these nice people.they taught love and i think that was what appealed most to her.my dad was an obsessive compulsive person so he first argued points in the bible with them,but soon found he was no match for them.so he started taking his studies seriously and read the bible like crazy,i mean 5or6 hours at a time every day.. after a while they were baptised and things got better...................for a while.he then became very demanding with regard to studying for the watchtower all the meetings and personal reading.i could barely read,but most of all he became even less tolerant than before.the beatings continued sometimes worse.my mom had called the elders over no less than 6 times in a 5 year period to report his treatment of her and his beating me.as you may guess the elders did nothing.they sited some scriptures and admonished me to give my father respect.i thoght the elders would help me and make him stop.but they didnt.so i lived life on pins and needles with him going to every meeting studying (well you guys know we studied a lot).until age 16, my father started his fits and i ran away.boy did i go crazy then.worldly people wild parties you name it.to make a long story shorter i was living fot the day because tomorrow i may die.. i was recomended bad association during my absence,i got marrie at age 18 and went back to meetings and wow i was no longer bad association.that marriage lasted 2 years we had a daughter wich we shared custody and a lot of times my mother and father would watch her.

  well during that period my father abused her sexually.my ex told me about it.said my daughter told her .well stupid me i didnt believe it and i guess the elders didnt either because they did nothing.. i was never baptised and drifted away again.flash to 1 year ago now married 10 years 3 more children and who knocks on the door you guessed it watchtower toting smily faced jws.well i always believed and carried guilt around all the time.so of course a agree to a study soon i have the whole family studying.the elder i studied with kept telling me i would be an elder soon,i didnt understand then how that could be.i soon realised that was his way of motivating me.well my world crashed down when my 2nd oldest daughter was molested by my father.i never should have trusted him to watch her and i feel enormous guilt.. my father did this while innactive but almost immediately he went back to jws like nothing happened.i wont go into some of the drama between him and myself but bottom line the elders were told and he was reproved he admitted to sexual misconduct and all that happened was restrictions.they said he could never go in field service by himself but he does.he will never be an elder but other than that he is a member in good standing.this stumbled my wife and i greatly.in the interim the elder from our seperate congregation (not my fathers) was in a big rush to have my same 12 year old daughter baptised.well she was at the summer convention.. i later found out that he was up for promotion to circuit ovsr.while a very good teacher you could tell he was all about position.

  my wife bought crisis of conscience and slowly had me reading it too.

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  thank you for your support. just to let you know my children havent seen my father in almost a year now.ive only seen him once per the urging of the elder. he was in the hospitol and was in jeapordy of death.
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  thank you all for the welcome.some asked me to tell my story. heres the 411

  by ko38 in

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  my parents became jws in 1973. i was 6.my father was a very abusive person wanting to fight anyone and everyone.of course my mother and moreso myself usualy caught the brunt of his abuse.he whipped me with a belt i believe as hard as he could and did not discrimenate as to where he hit youie in the face legs back you get the picture.. well my mom was thrilled when he agreed to study the bible with these nice people.they taught love and i think that was what appealed most to her.my dad was an obsessive compulsive person so he first argued points in the bible with them,but soon found he was no match for them.so he started taking his studies seriously and read the bible like crazy,i mean 5or6 hours at a time every day.. after a while they were baptised and things got better...................for a while.he then became very demanding with regard to studying for the watchtower all the meetings and personal reading.i could barely read,but most of all he became even less tolerant than before.the beatings continued sometimes worse.my mom had called the elders over no less than 6 times in a 5 year period to report his treatment of her and his beating me.as you may guess the elders did nothing.they sited some scriptures and admonished me to give my father respect.i thoght the elders would help me and make him stop.but they didnt.so i lived life on pins and needles with him going to every meeting studying (well you guys know we studied a lot).until age 16, my father started his fits and i ran away.boy did i go crazy then.worldly people wild parties you name it.to make a long story shorter i was living fot the day because tomorrow i may die.. i was recomended bad association during my absence,i got marrie at age 18 and went back to meetings and wow i was no longer bad association.that marriage lasted 2 years we had a daughter wich we shared custody and a lot of times my mother and father would watch her.

  well during that period my father abused her sexually.my ex told me about it.said my daughter told her .well stupid me i didnt believe it and i guess the elders didnt either because they did nothing.. i was never baptised and drifted away again.flash to 1 year ago now married 10 years 3 more children and who knocks on the door you guessed it watchtower toting smily faced jws.well i always believed and carried guilt around all the time.so of course a agree to a study soon i have the whole family studying.the elder i studied with kept telling me i would be an elder soon,i didnt understand then how that could be.i soon realised that was his way of motivating me.well my world crashed down when my 2nd oldest daughter was molested by my father.i never should have trusted him to watch her and i feel enormous guilt.. my father did this while innactive but almost immediately he went back to jws like nothing happened.i wont go into some of the drama between him and myself but bottom line the elders were told and he was reproved he admitted to sexual misconduct and all that happened was restrictions.they said he could never go in field service by himself but he does.he will never be an elder but other than that he is a member in good standing.this stumbled my wife and i greatly.in the interim the elder from our seperate congregation (not my fathers) was in a big rush to have my same 12 year old daughter baptised.well she was at the summer convention.. i later found out that he was up for promotion to circuit ovsr.while a very good teacher you could tell he was all about position.

  my wife bought crisis of conscience and slowly had me reading it too.

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  my parents became jws in 1973. i was 6.my father was a very abusive person wanting to fight anyone and everyone.of course my mother and moreso myself usualy caught the brunt of his abuse.he whipped me with a belt i believe as hard as he could and did not discrimenate as to where he hit youie in the face legs back you get the picture.

  well my mom was thrilled when he agreed to study the bible with these nice people.they taught love and i think that was what appealed most to her.my dad was an obsessive compulsive person so he first argued points in the bible with them,but soon found he was no match for them.so he started taking his studies seriously and read the bible like crazy,i mean 5or6 hours at a time every day.

  after a while they were baptised and things got better...................for a while.he then became very demanding with regard to studying for the watchtower all the meetings and personal reading.i could barely read,but most of all he became even less tolerant than before.the beatings continued sometimes worse.my mom had called the elders over no less than 6 times in a 5 year period to report his treatment of her and his beating me.

  as you may guess the elders did nothing.they sited some scriptures and admonished me to give my father respect.i thoght the elders would help me and make him stop.but they didnt.so i lived life on pins and needles with him going to every meeting studying (well you guys know we studied a lot).until age 16, my father started his fits and i ran away.boy did i go crazy then.worldly people wild parties you name it.to make a long story shorter i was living fot the day because tomorrow i may die.

  i was recomended bad association during my absence,i got marrie at age 18 and went back to meetings and wow i was no longer bad association.that marriage lasted 2 years we had a daughter wich we shared custody and a lot of times my mother and father would watch her. well during that period my father abused her sexually.my ex told me about it.said my daughter told her .well stupid me i didnt believe it and i guess the elders didnt either because they did nothing.

  i was never baptised and drifted away again.flash to 1 year ago now married 10 years 3 more children and who knocks on the door you guessed it watchtower toting smily faced jws.well i always believed and carried guilt around all the time.so of course a agree to a study soon i have the whole family studying.the elder i studied with kept telling me i would be an elder soon,i didnt understand then how that could be.i soon realised that was his way of motivating me.well my world crashed down when my 2nd oldest daughter was molested by my father.i never should have trusted him to watch her and i feel enormous guilt.

  my father did this while innactive but almost immediately he went back to jws like nothing happened.i wont go into some of the drama between him and myself but bottom line the elders were told and he was reproved he admitted to sexual misconduct and all that happened was restrictions.they said he could never go in field service by himself but he does.he will never be an elder but other than that he is a member in good standing.this stumbled my wife and i greatly.in the interim the elder from our seperate congregation (not my fathers) was in a big rush to have my same 12 year old daughter baptised.well she was at the summer convention.

  i later found out that he was up for promotion to circuit ovsr.while a very good teacher you could tell he was all about position. my wife bought crisis of conscience and slowly had me reading it too. she wasnt raised a jw.well after she got in search of christian freedom i was in full blown doubt.i looked up many watchtower articles especially regarding the faithful and discreet slave.being well prepared we invited the elder over and was that ever interesting.

  he actualy said that if he was in the jws at 1935 or below he would have left.he said he wasnt ready to jump ship without a lifeboat.his wife was livid and displayed the typical horror of apostate lit.my mention of the word cult caused a change in personality like ive never seen in a person before.usualy a bubbly warm person looked at me and my wife like we were satan himself.well ive been babbling for toooo long sorry. the wife and i and the rest of the family are looking forward to a new life. thankyou for listening and may you find true happiness..

  ko38
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  we just renounced our belief in the wtbts 2 hors ago,but still love jehovah

  by ko38 in

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  after reading ray franzs 2 books and much information on this site we did a search comparing wt qoutes and had a local elder soon to be circuit ovsr at our house and the funny thing was he was unaware of much of the early wts.he also expressed some doubts when he applied to be a ministerial servant and they sent him back a letter making him an elder.his wife was here and when we brought coc out she jumped up like a person on fire.

  the elder asked where else could we go?so there is doubt amoung the elders for sure.

  i have a sense of loss however cannot support a self proclaimed prophet that is contrary to scriptural teaching and associated with falsehood and bloodguilt.

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  after reading ray franzs 2 books and much information on this site we did a search comparing wt qoutes and had a local elder soon to be circuit ovsr at our house and the funny thing was he was unaware of much of the early wts.he also expressed some doubts when he applied to be a ministerial servant and they sent him back a letter making him an elder.his wife was here and when we brought coc out she jumped up like a person on fire. the elder asked where else could we go?so there is doubt amoung the elders for sure. i have a sense of loss however cannot support a self proclaimed prophet that is contrary to scriptural teaching and associated with falsehood and bloodguilt. oh by the way this is my first post. hello to eveyone and thank you for all the information