i'm not having a lot of luck convincing my wife to just let us fade away.
she's in the middle of the angry stage.
so, i told her i would post this question and get imput from you people.
Oh, I forgot to tell you that the last time I actually talked to an elder my BIL, I specifically said to him, "I know where the KH is. And I know how to get in touch with an elder I feel comfortable with so you don't have to waste your time. I just have to sort things through on my own right now."
That seemed to work with him because he never called or came over again and it's been three years!
i'm not having a lot of luck convincing my wife to just let us fade away.
she's in the middle of the angry stage.
so, i told her i would post this question and get imput from you people.
I'll just tell you what we did. Every time they came, we didn't answer their knocks on the door. If they called, we didn't answer the phone. Even if they knew we were home, we didn't care. They stopped coming.
If it hadn't been for my own BIG mouth blabbing to my sister, I would be sitting pretty right now. And even though I talked, the elders still haven't requested a JC.
it would have taken more much more time to tell it all.
he told us the meeting would began as soon as the other brothers arrived.
danni: i will give you two.
Danni
Would you be willing to give me the name and phone number of the Mayor of your city, and the phone number of your superior if I email you?Yadirf
Yadirf, do you think you can give me the name of your PO or your CO if I e mail you? LOL
it would have taken more much more time to tell it all.
he told us the meeting would began as soon as the other brothers arrived.
danni: i will give you two.
yadirF:
You remind me of the time when I was around 16 years old, and I walked into a Movie Theater with my shirt-tail hanging out, rather than having been neatly tucked inside my pants. A certain Police Officer tried to intimidate me by reprimanding me regarding my shirt, demanding that I tuck the tail of it down inside my pants.Yeah, well why don't you try going to your next meeting at the Kingdumb Hell wearing your shirt-tail hanging out too! Or better yet, why don't you wear shorts. Let's see if the elders don't try to "intimidate" you or "reprimand" you and "demand" that you tuck your shirt down your pants.
And then if you are rebelious, you could be df'd and lose your family for being "rebelious to authority." You're so stupid that you set your own self up.
have you ever noticed (at least around here anyway) that the elders are all well to do?
they all have nice houses and nice cars.. and nice clothes.. but yet their wives dont work they are all fulltime pioneers.. and the elders jobs arent the best in the world.. how can this be?
i have never seen a elder with a little house.
I knew a couple of elders with money. They were the ones that had anyone from Brooklyn stay at their homes. They drove the big Chevy Suburbans out in service and poor little sisters with kids and an unbelieving mate could only hope that one day she would be invited into the car group that went in the Suburban. But alas such was not to be.
Then I knew the poor elders who lived in trailers. I know of one who lives in a 500 square foot trailer with his wife and two sons. His wife wears clothes that she buys at thrift stores. One day he criticized my husband for quitting a job where he worked only with dubs and took a job that paid twice as much because now he would be working with "worldlings." This elder doesn't pioneer because it's obvious he doesn't like service. But he feels superior because he's poor. He wants everyone to think he's poor because he puts "kindumb interests first." Really he's poor just because he's lazy.
So here NYtele has a point. Not all elders are the same.
in some organizations, reform can become impossible.. explosive and centrifugal forces can build up, year after year,.
without relief.
after that, even a small pin prick can cause.
Who said?
A day or two ago someone said he was a CO in Britain on here and that he is compiling documents.Can you do me the favor of directing me to this thread? I can't seem to find it and I must have missed it. Thank you.
oh my god!!!
i am sitting here in my den, monday morning, at 10:30 am, est, when i notice a van pull up into the court i live on.
out climb two neatly dressed women, one older, one young.
Maybe if they do come back you can ask them to be specific about what they did to help on Sept 11th. And have some concrete examples of what other religions did to compare it with.
Think up something good and have fun at their expense!
greetings gentle posters,.
i have been inspired to write this by the following quotes from various posters on a thread started by amnesian titled the ex-[elders] files: eyes wide shut.. the following was quoted by amnesian from various responses to a thread started by amazing titled: ex-jw women, your side.. thanks for asking!...thank you amazing for asking that question...just my 2 cents.
thanks for letting me share...amazing, this is a great topic!...amazing, great idea...thanks for starting this thread amazing...what an excellent topic.
Excellent delivery of your message! What good is it to talk when nobody is going to listen to you because you are loud and obnoxious? Isn't it better to talk in a way that will attract people to you? Politicians, for example, might be very passionate about an issue but if they went around yelling about it they may never get a chance to do anything about it.
My husband was never an elder. He was appointed to MS in a large part - almost 100% - thanks to me writing talks for him, training the kids, vacation pioneering -- and more things done to make him look good. I never thought it would go to his head because I always believed he KNEW that he owed it to me. And he's not a cheuvanist either. But the JW mentality was ingrained into his head all his life. He suffered a lot because his stupid JW mom went so far as to divorce his dad because an elder called her and told her it would stumble the congregation if she took her "worldly" husband back.
So now here we are ... both of us out of the borg. Does he still act like a dub? Not usually. But occasionally he says things that sound "elderish." Yeah, I sometimes want to fly off the handle when I hear things like that. It takes me right back to when a "mere" male publisher told me to "find my theocratic place in the organization and stay there." And I HAVE BLOWN UP IN HIS FACE because of that.
But in the long run, I expect him to talk things out with me in a civil manner. So I must do it too. Just because I believe that he has to respect me doesn't mean that I DON'T have to respect him too. It's been hard for me to explain things to him since so much of what is ingrained in his head is from many years of JW lifestyle. It's not just indoctrination. It's actual life experience. A lot of what Amnesian said helped me sort into words what I wanted to say.
I love people who "tell it like it is" but I detest people who are rude and obnoxious about it. I'm a tell it like it is type of girl. Always have been and sometimes got into trouble because of it. But when I think about it now, I think it was more my MANNER of telling it like it is and not my actually doing it. You can tell it like it is, be direct and also be polite about it - both men and women alike. I don't like loud and obnoxious men either. There is a distinction between SOUNDING rational and getting your point across and SOUNDING loud, obnoxious and unintelligent and causing the listeners to just not listen.
ROFLMAO:
Sure you can Alan, Just ask Julie if you can take the paper bag off your head.Sorry Alan but you have to admit it was funny.
As for my preference, bring on the dirty talk any time. What's wrong with "oh baby" and sounding like a porno? Pornos are fun. And tell me when you're gonna cum so I can cum with ya. Moan and groan and treat me a little ruff. Gotta go find hubby now......
well, friends, this could be the beginning of the end for me.
im not sure what, if anything, is going to happen to me in the next few weeks, so ill have to wait and see.
heres the situation:.
Mulan, how do you answer it? I already blew my answer but I wanted to know what you say to successfully dodge the loaded question.