Posts by BluesBrother

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Bro. Frank Sartin (Lancashire area, UK)

by SBlackwell in

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i am no longer one of jehovah's witnesses, but i can remember the excellent talks given by the above frank sartin, an elder and i think at one time a zone overseer in the lancashire area of the uk.

upon doing some research i read that he died back in 2015. .

does anyone else remember him?.

BluesBrother

"It was about obedience not faith."

That is dead right Giordano. .Even more so so today the whole thing is about obedience to the central leadership. Faith? Yes but faith to follow not to think or reason.

My history is nowhere near as accomplished as your own but when I resigned the B of E , the others did not want to know be , although I was for a while a normal cong member.

Anyway, must not hijack SBlackwell's thread,

NB... No, I never Knew a Bro Sartin... there were some pretty good speakers around in the old days. Sadly all the individuality seems to have been knocked out of them these days

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Hot off the press - Maintaining Congregation Meetings During COVID-19 Pandemic

by pixel in

27:23; sfl chap.

(sfl chap.

BluesBrother

I heard of a local cong , UK, having group meets...... That seems daft to me. I feel more vulnerable with a crowd in a small room. We would not be going.

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Dead Sea Scrolls FORGERIES at Bible museum (scandal)

by Terry in

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https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/03/museum-of-the-bible-dead-sea-scrolls-forgeries/ independent researchers funded by the museum of the bible announced that all 16 of the museum’s dead sea scroll fragments are modern forgeries.

the museum ceo exclaimed, “we’re victims—we’re victims of misrepresentation, we’re victims of fraud.” the pieces are probably made of ancient leather, they were inked in modern times and modified to resemble real dead sea scrolls; all with the intention of deceiving for profit.

the researcher's report’s findings raise grave questions about the “post-2002” dead sea scroll fragments, a group of some 70 snippets of biblical text that entered the antiquities market in the 2000's.

BluesBrother

I read this earlier... seems this museum purchased the fragments on the open market believing them to be a part of the Qumram hoard........but they were not. The latest findings say that they are modern fakes.

However, this does not reflect on the authenticity of the Dead Sea Scrolls themselves, in Jerusalem I believe.

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How was it possible that some members fall asleep or nod off during meetings?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

a while back, we had a saturday wedding reception for a brother and sister from our kingdom hall.

the reception ended at midnight.

most of us got home at around 1:00 a.m. our sunday public talk meeting started at 9:30 a.m. .

BluesBrother

Worst time to stay awake was Sunday afternoons in the Summer. The combination of a male voice going on and on , and heat was enough to have me "pushing out the zzzz" in 10 or 15 minutes.....

Latterly I found that taking a larger than suggested dose of high strength caffeine tablets would usually get me through...

It is a common thing though . At conventions one would see lots of sleepyheads. Funny thing is that the experienced ones could still follow the direction to look up scriptures ,correctly, while fast asleep! I have never understood that.

😴

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War question

by tmkm130 in

hi, my father is a jehovah's witness.

my sister wanted to do something nice for him and decided to have a shirt made with the ship he was on when he was in the navy many years ago.

he was not in the war, but he said that he can't wear it because jehovah's witnesses don't believe in war.

BluesBrother

Hello tmkm30,

Your father is not wrong about the J W beliefs... Serving in the military is definitely not allowed , they would be conscientious objectors if necessary.

However, this was a loving gift ,specially nade, from a loved one. If this had happened to me when I served as a JW, I am sure I would have accepted the gift in the spirit of love.

Mind you, I could never wear it in the company of other Witnesses. .....

Sadly though, many Witnesses are not so reasonable and see only the "rules"

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How Will the Quarantined Dubbies React When the "All Clear" Sounds?

by Room 215 in

seriously, i can't help wondering whether their hiatus from meetings and service will alter their post-covid-19 lifestyle once they experience the freedom of life in the absence of the hamster wheel?.

BluesBrother

I heard of a nearby congregation that is to arrange group meetings ( bit tough on the group household, I think)

So far Sis. Blues has not been told anything. If I did not get it from here and she did not know a free speaking elder's wife.... she would know nothing of this

As for the future? Will they be rejuvenated afterwards and leap back into action? Or be so out of the habit that they don't want to go back? ...... I guess the latter .

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“I’m young and healthy so coronavirus won’t affect me” (why we need to stop this disease at ALL costs!)

by slimboyfat in

even if you are young and heathy there are very good reasons to fear this disease and take drastic actions to avoid it individually, and halt it together as communities.

not only would it be traumatic as a society to lose so many old and unwell family members and friends, but survivors of the disease may suffer significant health problems in the future.

survivors of the first sars virus in 2003 have suffered significant lung problems.

BluesBrother

Have to say that I am more with SBF than those who say it is a panic response. I see people around here not respecting your space in a queue or taking the situation seriously. Also I am puzzled by our government’s laissez faire attitude... to let a number catch it and naturally build a “herd immunity “

I will stay home , I think

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3 More Letters Dated March 13th, From the UK on Coronavirus!

by Atlantis in

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3 more letters dated march 13th, from the uk.

there are different mailing addresses at the top.. 2020-03-13https://docdro.id/pxmmef72020-03-13https://docdro.id/adfw87y2020-03-13https://docdro.id/u2tov1ppetra!https://docdro.id/qqtzami

BluesBrother

Like SBF, I don’t get it either.... Did it say “KHCONF will be provided from the branch” ?

Does that mean that the stream will be from London, or Chelmsford....wherever?

anyway...

NO meetings

no Field Service

no shepherding .... Yippee!

I bet the elders wives will have them shopping... or d I y jobs around the house....😃

( Edit... Thanks a million Atlantis/Petra. You are invaluable)

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2020--2 Letters--Coronavirus--Memorial!

by Atlantis in

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2020 march 9, letter.

https://docdro.id/cfjrhgb.

2020 march 12, letter--coronavirus--memorial.

BluesBrother

I heard ( second hand info) that a something similar was read out at the local congregation in the U K....

The meeting had described the Memorial Invitation campaign due to kick off this weekend. Apparently, that has now been scrapped and invites only to personal friends and family.

At least they are taking it seriously. I am told that the old and infirm are advised to stay home and rely on audio /video tie ins

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Anyone have a copy of that JW poem about a child who doesn't survive Armageddon?

by Bleep Bloop in

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i think it was called "a mother's thoughts.

" it was a rather dreadful poem written from the viewpoint of a mom a few weeks after armageddon, reminiscing about her child that didn't survive.

in one part, the rebellious kid says, "i can take care of myself in snow, sleet or rain.

BluesBrother

No, I am pleased to say that I never heard that poem...The only ones I heard were positive, and they were bad enough. As for using it in a public talk?

That would be awful!

I shal watch this thread to see if it turns up