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  The Judge on Trial: Uncovering the Real J F Rutherford [Part 1]

  by pomo6780 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  enough rhetoric for now, here is my promised first part to my series.. for the benefit of lurkers, i'm using mainly wt publications as my research to show this information isn't 'apostate'.

  part 1: association with russell and the bible students.

  i want to ask an honest question.

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  BluesBrother

  Without evidence, the words that come to my mind start B / S….
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  The Org. covering up the SHUNNING POLICY !!

  by Phizzy in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  https://avoidjw.org/news/jehovahs-witnesses-mysteriously-deleted-shunning-videos/?fbclid=iwar3jjfsa3zx-4kxrdtjwopmzty-5wxhrxm1-gvjtp9j20ovqfpxh.

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  BluesBrother

  Hmmm. You can smell the hand of Legal dept. in a decision to pull these videos. Lately shunning has become a bigger issue than the blood ban .

  When I was “in” we accepted the shunning principle but applied it with a dash of common sense. Today they seem to have forgotten the exception for “ necessary family business” . If her mother phoned upset , begged her to answer , how did she know that it was not a bona fide emergency?

  We once had a friend, an emotional sister with a d.f daughter. However, the daughter was in an abusive relationship and would call on mother in trouble. Now I knew that their association went beyond that but I did not rat her out to the other elders . I just reminded her of what the rules were and left it to her conscience.

  I hate to think how she would get on today.
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  And the lion shall eat straw like the ox

  by Anony Mous in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the above verse is often quoted by jws both in general as a response to the idea of a deathless paradise and/or those promoting vegetarianism or veganism.. a letter in animal frontiers co-signed by nearly a thousand scientists is now warning that meat is crucial for a healthy lifestyle and livestock farming is too important to 'become the victim of zealotry'.. they stated the fact that most humans require the nutrients from eggs, meat and dairy and that plant based alternatives are at least 4x more expensive (which implies much higher energy consumption in the process) and not scalable and outright dangerous to global health to support a large population shift towards them.. they also called out several recent papers for misleading information and even called for the outright retraction of one that said meat substitutions are a viable alternative.. not sure what the modern jw view on this is, i know many people in the borg promoted it back in the day.

  just goes to show that science does not support the notion of a global vegan diet..

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  BluesBrother

  The question was, What is the JW view on diet? .... the dubs are allowed to eat anything that doesn’t contain blood. As a movement they are not vegetarian. I swear I saw a quick scene in a video depicting New World living where they were enjoying a barbecue.

  As to the merits of meat eating or not , you can find an expert to support any view you like. I know that in Asia many people have been vegetarian for millennia and in good health. The majority view of science , as far as I know, is that it takes more of the world’s resources to raise a cow than to grow crops .

  The debate will continue......
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  'church elders are told to report any allegations of child sexual abuse to the authorities immediately'

  by was a new boy in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  'the spokesperson also said that church elders are told to report any allegations of child sexual abuse to the authorities immediately, even if there is only one complainant.'.

  https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/rebekah-vardy-sexually-abused-child-jehovahs-witnesses/.

  is this true?

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  BluesBrother

  So we have to conclude that either

  1) There has been a dramatic shift in policy that has not been leaked.

  2) The Watchtower speak with a forked tongue saying one thing in public and another to the elders.

  3) The news media got it wrong and have reported what they did not say .

  I would guess that the latter is most likely…..
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  To All Those Keen To Tell Us About Their Beliefs

  by Simon in

  1. forum
  2. announcements

  we seem to have had an influx of religiots - the people who want to tell us all about how we / the wts / whoever are wrong, wrong, wrong about everything and how right they are.

  they obviously have special insight, or voices (probably voices, right?

  ) telling them the real truth.. as proof, there is inevitably a wall of random scripture references and quotes.. sorry, but we're not here for that.

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  BluesBrother

  Simon, I am amazed by this…

  “ The site isn't here to host your bible diarrhea, so please don't bother - you're just going to be wasting your time.”

  We are here to discuss the Jehovah’s Witnesses and their beliefs. That always means discussions and different opinions and , yes Bible and Scriptural discussion. If not then why are we here ?

  If you don’t like us believers talking about it you would be better off starting a forum for atheists and right wing political types.
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  'church elders are told to report any allegations of child sexual abuse to the authorities immediately'

  by was a new boy in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  'the spokesperson also said that church elders are told to report any allegations of child sexual abuse to the authorities immediately, even if there is only one complainant.'.

  https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/rebekah-vardy-sexually-abused-child-jehovahs-witnesses/.

  is this true?

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  BluesBrother

  This is printed in the “Independent “ newspaper discussing the Vardy programme. ( as selected by Apple News app)

  “ In a statement to the PA news agency, Jehovah’s Witnesses said: “Elders are directed to report an allegation of child sexual abuse to the police ‘even if there is only one complainant and no other corroborating evidence’.”

  Well…. That is news to me. I thought here in UK they only did it if they believed a child was in further serious danger and only if directed by the Bethel …..
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  Rebekah Vardy--UK channel 4 : Tuesday 16th 10.00pm.

  by stan livedeath in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  summary.

  the subject of the `wagatha christie" trial investigates the inner workings of the jehovah's witnesses.

  having grown up within the faith, she explains how the religion failed to support her through sexual abuse and shunned her as a child.

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  Stan makes a point,above, that it all adds to the negative publicity on the WTS.

  However, I have absolutely zero respect for Rebekah Vardy and her self engineered celebrity status . I would not believe a word she says. My wife purchases a Sunday Mail newspaper ( yes , I know and have told her what a rag that paper is ) In that paper this week was an article by RV about the program which she kept reading out to me …..Frankly, it was a load of old nonsense that any experienced JW would refute. If this stuff is true it seemed more like bad parenting than much real complaint against the Society…

  Don’t forget she lost a load of money in that court case ( Jamie must have been mad) She has to get some back somehow……
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  JWs Still Attending on Zoom

  by XBEHERE in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  another topic based on a conversation with a friend living near warwick (i talked to him over the weekend).

  he said that cong's in and around bethel, including his, are slowly starting to see an uptick with people attending in person his cong is pretty much 75%+ in person.

  however there are many that still use zoom as a fall back.

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  BluesBrother

  We always use zoom, no camera, microphone off ...... read the paper, do useful jobs make sarky comments about the meeting
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  Details of my Disfellowshipping

  by Holy Grail 007 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i will tell you the truth because i do not tell lies and am always honest.

  in may 2006 i was diagnosed with bipolar.

  my wife separated from me against my will.

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  BluesBrother

  I am sorry to hear of the loss of your family and your distress. Your comment

  “ I didn't say much during the meeting because I was still in shock for what I had done. I think the elders thought I wasn't sorry and wasn't repentant so they disfellowshipped me.”

  That reminded me of a case where a young sister did the same as you, a single action, she told my wife and I arranged a committee. I was not on it but it seemed a simple case that would be a reproof. She came to us in tears after the hearing having been d/f’d . We helped her draft an appeal letter and upshot was that the 2nd committee reversed the decision. I was not popular with the my own elders. I am sure though that she clammed up in fear and they miss read her. Elders are not usually insightful.

  In this case I do feel that there is more from the past that impacted on their decision. But again, I am sorry for the situation you find yourself in
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  It is now 2003.... Where is Armageddon?

  by Nosferatu in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i find it extremely amusing how each year is passing without armageddon.

  "for the year 2000, i visualize a world transformed into a beautiful paradise!

  but i don't think that either the present world or its rulers will live to see that day.. we are living in the last days of the system of things.

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  BluesBrother

  Nowadays the teaching is all about cultivating patience, and by God , don’t they need it !