they'll write pages and pages of stuff and yet they don't have any idea.. here's a paragraph from their latest speculations on future events, bolding is mine.. a prophecy recorded by ezekiel gives some insight into what may happen during the last days of the king of the north and the king of the south.
if we view the prophecies of ezekiel 38:10-23; daniel 2:43-45; 11:44–12:1; and revelation 16:13-16, 21 as speaking about the same time period and events, it appears that we can expect the following developments.. that's an awful lot of assumptions to make.
what they've done is picked out various scriptures from different parts of the bible and now state that they may or may not be talking about the same events.
The time was when I could tell you all about how the activities of Elijah and Elisha prefigured in prophetic pattern the activities of the anointed J W’s at different periods in their history. We spent weeks on end studying how the work of Jeremiah and assistant Baruch also prefigured the “ministry” of twentieth century....
What a waste of time that was! .....only to be told by the same book publishers in recent times that it was all B/S. ....if I hadn’t worked that out for myself. 🤔
jw.org is on collision course with russia.
the may wt study edition is full of prophesy related to the time of the end and what we have read so much in isaiah and jeremia bookstudy publications.. they found their enemy again.
jw.org needs enemy's to exist.
Plenty of mileage in this issue for debate. One fundamental point is .... What is this Anglo American World Power ? Do you see it in the news? Do the two nations act together as one?
There may have been a duality during World Wars One and Two, but since then I cannot see it. A few points off the top of my head :
They did unite militarily to invade Iraq, although a lot of Brits were against the action.
They are both in NATO and they do have a “special relationship “ , but this does not stop disagreements
They cannot agree on the deportation of wanted suspects of crimes
There is not a special trade agreement in place , although this has been suggested, post Brexit.
Most citizens of Both Britain and the USA would be annoyed at the suggestion that they were merely a part of the other’s world power.
I have not seen any references to the existence of such a thing apart from the WTS. I contend that it does not exist and has not existed since at least 1945 .....
i found a pamphlet in one of my old bound vol.
a 1969 awake, that had a pamphlet from a senator who gave a speech on the hoxsey cure.
i know of several jws who went to mexico and got this treatment.
"I know so many who would go to the BS chiropractor. This quackery does not only mean cracking bones it gets into Kinesiology which is crazy ass BS. Acupuncture which I always found funny because its a Chinese spiritual load of crap. I went with several JWs in the 70s to a chiropractor who would prescribe drinking a quart of salt water to crap your guts out and do enemas. It was supposed to detoxify"
I once knew a "sister" who was a qualified kinesiology practitioner . The Wt published an article saying that it was dubious and maybe demonic. Overnight her client base among the dubs plummeted. She rebuilt her business though. Her elders never called her out.
Personally I have had acupuncture. It did nothing for me but what I had was not "spiritual". Wife and I regulayly have chiropractic treatment, nothing wrong in bone adjustment. That has done us good.
There are loads of people spending shedloads of money on health foods and off-book treatments ,not just dubs . Certainly, in the past at least, they were susceptible to it due to a miss trust of mainstream medicine ,sparked by the blood issue.
...at 1 peter 3:15 it says that if someone asks a christian about their christian hope, they should always be ready to explain it - with mildness & deep respect.
may i ask you about just one belief which jw's have?.
jw's have been instructed that god & jesus personally selected mr. rutherford and several of his associates as the first 'faithful slave' 101 dalmations years ago, in 1919. .
Who is this Mr. Rutherford that you speak of?
That is so much the response that you will get from modern, young JWs. For them their "theocratic history " began in yr 2000 , being the year that the online library was began. Anything prior to that is dead history and irrelevant.
i remember going door to door in the late 60's with my mother as a 5 or 6 year old.
one time she caught me looking at the wind chimes on a porch.
she told me they had pagan origins, were evil, and were somehow connected to demons.
I used to avoid wind chimes because they had a pagan origin............Now I avoid wind chimes because they are an irritating nuisance once the novelty has wirn off. A past neighbour had one once....drove me nuts going tinkle tinke all day
fear is used by politicians, marketeers, social scientists, military psy-ops tacticians and just about anyone who wants to manipulate or destabilize another.
to illustrate, look at this 1964 political ad by pres.
johnson against barry goldwater:.
The older you get in life, the closer you are to dying. Even old dubs now recognize that . The concept of living forever without experiencing death has now disappeared, except for the young.
What happens at death, where do we go? Nobody knows . Shakespeare called it the "undiscovered country" ((Hamlet).. 400 years later we know no more.
In my later years now, is dearh to be feared? No... I don't want to linger into a lonely, painful miserable old age. Lets go while life is still enjoyable.
Yes , we myst try to enjoy every day that God gives us , before:
" The silver cord is removed and the golden bowl is crushed.................then the dust returns to the earth, just as it happened to be" . Ecclesiastes 12.
what were some of yours?
the big one in our hall was no frontal hugs!
these were generally thought of as inappropriate, only side hugs should be given between sisters and brothers.
I have to say tnat most ( not all) of these would be news to me.... Are you sure we were in the same religion ?
so some special pioneers in our cong thought it would be awesome to spice up our boring country town lives with a witness fancy dress party!!
wow what could go wrong?
it was 1993 well one pioneer wanted to out do every one so he turned up in drag as a ballerina in full bad make up...some had costumes with guns swords knives...i mean a cowboy does not have a watchtower in his holster!
I guess fancy dress is something that is “just not done” among dubs.... I vaguely recall a C/o recounting an experience of one where things got out of hand with “elders dressed up as women!” ( shudder) . That does sound gross....
Nb. I felt like I was in fancy dress on a Sunday, wearing a white shirt and suit...
re Murder Mystery evenings, an elder of my acquaintance and his wife used to go to these at a local hotel , I guess it had food as well. They enjoyed it, and nothing was said to him.
myself being a born in and completely out for more than 30 years i see more of the damage of what this religious cult causes people .. part of myself leaving had to do with the psychological harm it was causing people back in the 1970's, one guy my age at the time hung himself out anxiety and depression.. the numerous suicides that have occurred in numbers is shocking to say the least.. then there is the many families breaking up.. marriages breaking apart because one member decides to leave the jws.. the deaths of members or their children from refusing a blood transfusion.. this hit me personally when my mother refused a bt when she was ill in the hospital and died.. over the years and observing all of these things reminds me how glad and fortunate i left when i did but i do find it responsible to others to expose this religious cult to what can happen to people who get involved with it and that's what i've been doing on this forum and elsewhere.
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Around 20 years now since I woke up. At that time I was concerned about time passing by, I just could not accept the world entering the 21st Century and still no end! ... There were doctrines too that did not seem right. At the time I was angry , then there came the UNO scandal that really teed me off...
No I am more relaxed about it. I wonder at those who have kept their fath ...fath in promises and predictions constantly broken, but I guess it is up to them...
Unlike some on this thread , the first thing I did was work towards resignation from the B of E... I could not be a hypocrite.
so i am sure if you are at bethel and have the flu you just get time or what ever to recover, but what about serious sickness.
say you get cancer or some possible terminal illness?
what happens?.
I can't argue with those who have first hand inside experience of Bethel life.... but I did see a video discussion with a team of Bethel doctors who spoke of their care for the 'family' . I think it was one of the early monthly broadcasts , when I was obliged to sit through them.
In Britain, I know that an old c/o and d/o , John Blaney was brought into Bethel when he got old. As he deteriorated he was nursed until he died. I used to know a natural health practitioner by name of Nigel Vukovich (sp?) Who said he went down to London Bethel one or two days a week to give treatment. ...any other Brits recall him?
