the watchtower teaches that the opportunity to be born again and enjoy complete justification with god ended in 1935, having been limited to only 144k since pentecost.
so, it is very surprising that the watchtower embraces the death that is described in romans chapter 6, since this is the very death that is required to be born again…… which is denied to watchtower members!
romans chapter 6, verse 7 is about saying goodbye to the old personality, the “old man” in the king james version.
The O/p claims that they teach that the “heavenly calling” to gather the Anointed closed in 1935. That used to be said , but now it appears open ended.
Q.Box Wt 5/1 2007 p 30
“On the other hand, as time has gone by, some Christians baptized after 1935 have had witness borne to them that they have the heavenly hope. (Romans 8:16, 17) Thus, it appears that we cannot set a specific date for when the calling of Christians to the heavenly hope ends.”
lloyd evans has just tweeted a video he will be releasing soon on the "change" to the meaning of the sheep and goats and when that is to occur.. i've missed any discussion on that on here or anywhere?
it seems it was part of the 2020 annual meeting the gb had?.
any info on this?.
Thank you Slimboyfat.. that link saved me a lot of looking. Very interesting, I view it as a tweak rather than a complete change of doctrine. They say that judgement will still be finalised and delivered at the end, but he is watching,listening and forming opinions now, so watch out!
I suppose it amounts to the same thing. They say that at the end one has to be a functioning active Witness to be judged righteous, although the Bible does not say that.
I wonder how this affects the view of those who die now..?
in recent years dead relatives were always spoken of as in line for a resurrection because all judgement was future , but now ? I don’t know.
“he who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that.
his reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
but if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion... nor is it enough that he should hear the opinions of adversaries from his own teachers, presented as they state them, and accompanied by what they offer as refutations.
The first one from JS Mill resonates with me and JWism. Especially this line
”Nor is it enough that he should hear the opinions of adversaries from his own teachers”
That is exactly what they do. Books from WT refute evolution, discuss other religions, tell them suggestions for teaching Non Christians they meet but it is all selected and filtered through the WT teachings.
They are strictly told never to accept literature from opposing groups. They believe they know all about it from their own Society. They are wrong!
as a jw did you have a pioneer sister/elder's wife who was the biggest busybody, self righteous, arrogant pus in the circuit?
who would look down on others and treat people like crap.. without giving to much away, i experienced one that knew everyone in circuit.
and if she or her husband saw or heard something they didn't like it was " you know what the bible says" regardless if it was in there or not.
My wife wasn’t!
All those years of my eldership, putting up with my stress , my having to spend time in elders meeting after pointless elders meeting, and hearing me grumbling about things. It gave her a healthy disrespect of the BOE and the system.
I do know the type you mean though. Tough old birds who had pioneered for years and thought themselves a cut above the rest. But don’t you come across that type in other church groups as well? I think so.
jehovah can't be your father in this life.
'they [jw members] address him prospectively as "our father.
jesus is not your mediator:.
Have to agree with Drearywether.... The candidate fo baptism has to answer 80 questions about the faith to ensure they understand.
Mind you, the books at the start of the study always show the enjoyment of paradise and removal of “the wicked “. It is not until some time later in the study that the difficult bits are encountered ...still pre baptism though
freedom!
not having to adhere to man made rules and regulations.
not being afraid of maybe “stumbling “ someone..
I learned to think for myself, trust my own judgement, not always say “ What have The Society said about this?”
i got off the treadmill of eldership and I don’t have to go door to door
On the other hand , I used to have a hope of growing young in paradise and of seeing my dead parents again. But it is better to face the reality of life than live for hopes and dreams that never come true. Don’t they call that ‘ castles in the air?’
i don’t care about politics, books you are reading, movies and tv programs you’re watching, etc..
Yes.... there are times when I turn straight to the “Watchtower Soc./JW “ heading on the front page, especially when the American Politics with all its vitriol gets too much.
But when it settles I click the ‘latest’ button to see what is going on . That’s how I found your thread. Why is there less comment on WT issues ?
We used to delight in picking apart the beliefs and showing the falsehoods but I guess that has all been said , and it is now only when they say something new and silly that we have a good talking point. They have got so bland. Their video talks send you sleep. The meetings are the metaphorical plate of cold porridge. I don’t know why anyone would be attracted these days.
That said, I can’t stay away.........
inspired by a previous post i wrote and thought it deserved a place of its own .. i hope it helps people on their journey out of the wt/jw religion .. their is no going back after discovering the "truth" about the wt/jw religion.. its the path of freedom from enslavement to a man made religious organization that was born in america, a nation that has spawned numerous charlatan religious organizations, especially in the 1700`s to 1900`s .and even beyond..
So true....one cannot unlearn what you know. Frankly, there have been times when i felt it would have suited me better to be back in the cong. That is for family reasons and social and Initially I missed the sense of purpose, what I considered spirituality , and frankly the status of being an elder in the congregation.
However I could never do it.never convince myself that the JW take on things was correct - not now after coming so far.
during a recent conversation i had with someone, a question came up that i really don't know the answer to.
did jw's still drink during prohibition in the us during the 1920's until it's repeal in 1933?
was alcoholic beverages considered forbidden and possibly subject to disfellowshipping?.
I was so intrigued by the quotes from the 1929 Watchtower that I went to a site and found the text of the article to read it in context.
It was a discussion of Romans 13, subjection to superior authority. Perhaps this was new light then as they carefully laid the argument to say that those authorities were Christ in heaven, not the worldly governments. Indeed the government's are here described as Satanic to which they owed no obedience, save for Christian principles of behaviour.
With that view they could choose not to obey if they wished. I dare say some still imbibed alcahol. Particularly given the encouragement in that article.
Nb. Dont you see the false reasoning in the article , comparing booze with bread , which are not the same at all. That is a "slippery slope" argument if ever I saw one
this concept was leaked here not too long ago, and it was just announced at the next section of the 'annual meeting' on jw broadcasting.
they allude to it being a half hour series and say that it will cover literally every detail in all four gospels in chronological order through the course of all episodes.
they also insinuate that it's the most ambitious project yet (i guess making use of that new media production facility).
What is wrong with books? Who needs video ?
Back in the day we were encouraged to read . To start with we have the four gospels; In the early seventies we had the Aid book with a very useful chart showing all the gospel scriptures in chronological order . ( I spent ages studying with the help of that.) Later on they did a book called “ The Great Teacher “ that studied all of Jesus’ Ministry with all the scriptures to read
I guarantee that we learned and remembered more about it than today’s generation will from their darned video!
