we all know the scripture where jesus says 'this generation will by no means pass away before the end will come'.
the jw interpret this as the destruction of the jewish state in jerusalem by the romans and the dispersal of the jewish people.
however, while researching the history of judea, i come across various facts about the region.. so jesus died about 30ce and his disciples were likewise well in their thirties or older, the 'generation' by definition would've lasted until ~50ce (the time during which children are born and raised to have children of their own).
I contend that Jesus did not say that the city and land would be entirely desolate and uninhabited, he said the Temple would be destroyed and a great tribulation. It would come in the lifetime of his close companions who were men around his own age.
Accepted history records that this is what happened.
it just that the gb has a problem mixing biblical fact with goofy opinions.. but at least is isn't like the churces!.
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I'd second Smiddy's comments above..... well put.
If I could believe that they taught the truth, I would still be following them , but I cannot. ...
i realize many here think that in-person meetings will return as soon as things are safe with covid.
but many acknowledge it will likely be 2022 or later when this happens.. surprisingly, many pimi jws in our congregation are not shy about saying they are fine with zoom meetings forever and do not want to go back to in-person meetings.
many speculate similar thoughts that are on this site....such as a combination of in-person and zoom meetings.
The super keen ones are itching to get back to the meetings and out in the Ministry. But a lot of others dont really.
They can never say so of course but I know my relatives dread the day they have to make the effort to get there
when you look back , did your witness associates act like normal human beings?
did any of them ever show compassion and feelings for a disfellowshipped person?.
any elders ever try to be kind to you, not “kind” as watchtower organization dictates, but truly kind and caring for you if you were experiencing difficulties?
As an organization JW s are pretty normal . True , there are some nasty ones and sometimes they get to be the most successful dubs. I always got on better with the "lesser ones" who were usually good people.
Their trouble is that they really believe that Holy Spirit and Gods truth falls out of the GB's #### , (sorry, I mean their mouth) . That makes them cherish and admire obedience to the GB above all else.
From the cloistered marble halls of War-wick the GB issue their instructions and expect them to be obeyed in the real world , despite resulting in hardship and sadness for those affected. Left to themselves ,those tough uber dubs would show a lot more humanity.
i hope this is in the right area.
i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.
for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.
If you enjoy debates, this thread is a great one. We used to have regular long threads on this subject.... I thought those posters had all moved on.
Personally, these mathematical speculations “ do my head in “ but by all means carry on if you wish. My take on 607- 1914 is simply this..
The vast majority of respected archaeologists accept 587 bce as the date . And it is archaeology that has to be used.
The year 1914 was 107 years ago and we still await the kingdom...that is untenable and must be wrong
The whole thing came from the Adventist’s . The WT has repudiated all the rest of their teaching, why not that?
i have an honest question, so i hope someone will explain this to me to the best of their ability.
i'm fascinated with learning about religion!
and i've been looking for a place to ask this, believe me it wasn't an easy find.
You ask the question, Why?
The basic answer is that the JWs are obedient to the Governing Body who have decided that such celebration is "displeasing to Jehovah" They will say that anytime they are mentioned in the Bible ir is in a bad light. E g. HEROD when Salome danced for the Head of John the Baptist.
There is no specific Biblical verse that says not to do it. The history of their belief goes back to the past President of the movement JF Rutherford who has a record of laying down rules based on his opinions. There is a lot to discuss about him should you wish.
To the rational outsider it makes no sense at all
this should work.
i don't know how long the link will be active.. .
https://documentcloud.adobe.com/link/review?uri=urn:aaid:scds:us:8f3da700-8e37-4e57-904a-56912cf53407.
Well, I really do not know what kind of person would make up , or obtain a badge for a convention that they will sit and watch in bits at home.
Do you wear the badge in your best meeting clothes, and with all the family so adorned, ? Do you prepare a packed lunch and drinks , open the windows to get that outdoor feel while gathering round the laptop .....so as to pretend you are at stadium?
I guess you would have to wait for a song break to dash to the loo?
hi all,.
i have attempted 're-entry' having lost access some months ago.. i was of the name zeb.. wish me the best please.
Good to see you back Zeb...keep posting
a newspaper article quotes a jw as saying "every (letter) i put in the mailbox, i feel, 'ah, this could reach somebody.
'" the article also quotes her as saying "we are accomplishing even more now than we were door-to-door because this way everybody in the house gets a chance to pick up that letter and respond to it.
it just feels good.
The purpose of it is not primarily to make disciples, it is to count time. If it were to really reach people they would have people use their computers and home printers to churn out letters by the dozen and have them all sent.
Insread they laboriously hand write them so as to count time. After all, as my wife has been reminded just 15 minutes can be counted per month now.
awake!
"if you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things.
because all the evidence in fulfillment of bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years... therefore, as a young person, you will never fulfill any career that this system offers.
This quote can still be found on "Watchtower On Line" , their official library.
"Shortly, within our twentieth century, the "battle in the day of Jehovah" will begin against the modern antitype of Jerusalem, Christendom."
The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah p.216
(1971)
Actually, back in the early seventies that did not seem a remarkable thing to say. We were so keyed up that we were talking of months, not years, to Armageddon. .....
