https://youtu.be/4upzvonzg10?si=1bdvv6qzcuj2fo6s.
oh, the joys of being one of jehovah’s witnesses, where you get to learn that heaven is a vip lounge for exactly 144,000 people—and sorry, everyone else, you're stuck in the “earth forever” section.
yep, you get to mow grass in paradise while the chosen few float around in immortal glory.
You make an earthly life sound like a cheap second class salvation. Putting my Dub hat back on now, I never wanted to go to Heaven. I could not imagine it. Everything I ever wanted, aspired to , enjoyed in life is here .
No, everlasting life on Earth and even greeting my dead loved ones back again was a far more attractive deal .
as jw's we swallowed such concoctions for years - without a single scripture provided as proof!.
w71 12/15 p. 759 - "apparently, the apostle peter was the chairman of the governing body on the festival day of pentecost of 33 c.e., and the disciple james, the half brother of jesus christ, was the chairman at a later date, according to the account in acts of apostles.
from this, and from what historical evidence there is available, the chairmanship of the governing body rotated.".
Implied here
Acts 12 .17
16 “”But Peter remained there, knocking. When they opened the door, they saw him and were astonished. 17 But he motioned to them with his hand to be silent and told them in detail how Jehovah had brought him out of the prison, and he said: “Report these things to James+ and the brothers.” With that he went out and traveled to another place“
Be that as it may…. I always regretted the ending of the congregation BoEs having a rotating chairman. It always worked well where I was , it gave bros. experience and stopped one man having “ my congregation “
i swear, you can't make this shit up!
for years and years growing up in this cult, i had to constantly hear from my parents, from the stage, in the literature, about "keeping your eye simple", not being "materialistic", not "having a showy display of one's wealth.
" of course, this never seemed to apply to the wealthy business owning elduhzzzz who ran and lorded it out over the congregations, but i digress.
I am not here to defend the GB… but how can you tell from a video whether a watch is a $20,000 Rolex or a $200 copy ?
w93 6/1 p. 15 par.
6 be sound in mind - the end is close - "of course, well-meaning, faithful christians in the past have sincerely tried to predict when the end would come.".
more than 140 years of a sincere & well-meaning "it's coming soon" from the org, can be swept under the carpet - nothing to see here!.
I believe it was well meant. Unlike some, I have never seen them as money grabbing scammers. But, so what, it was still wrong and we all made life decisions based upon what they said .. They claimed to be directed by Holy Spirit and they let us down..
NB. They make it sound like only a few members had forecast the dates . They should apologise on behalf of “ This Organisation “
if you substitute j.w org for c of e this really hits home : (from bbc news site) :.
the church of england risks further crisis if it fails to adopt a sweeping new independent system to keep people safe, the former head of a national inquiry into child sexual abuse has said.
(prof. alexis jay).. "i think it's absolutely necessary because church safeguarding as it stands falls below the standards of secular organisations, and i do not think that can continue when it has also led to such serious weaknesses," she told the bbc..
It would be good if the WT could learn from some of the measures that Jan has described above… It is a case where they need to learn from “ The World”.
i was reading an intriguing post on the exjw reddit, a forum i do not with to sign up for, as i'm not interested in the internal politics of reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1hwlja8/the_governing_bodys_letter_that_shook_bethel_and/.
another post counteracted this one, driven by the "conspiracy theory" card.
Covid and other vaccines saved millions of lives . Anyone who disagrees is following unproven conspiracy theories.. Believe the Science.
feb broadcast they have a drama about someone who works with a colleague who is gay.. they actually make it sound like the jws are the only ones who support him and is tolerant of him and everyone else is against him🤣.
after all these years they try gaslighting and saying we are the ones who are tolerant and everyone else is not!!!.
you couldn’t make this up.. after this monumental u turn now, what about all the gay people who were born in’s who have been shunned by their own family?.
Had a look at this on the website and, yes it presents a softer view of gay people. The point is clearly made that they reject the behaviour, not the person. It presents the view of “ worldly” people as being intolerant and treating the gay man rudely. That may be the case in some places but my experience of working in a large office block was just the opposite.
https://youtu.be/2rovtysbopm?si=gqazzq-lowyk3js0.
with islam being one of the fastest-growing religions in the uk, there’s more need for mosques.
so when an old church goes up for sale, it’s not exactly surprising that someone might want to turn it into a mosque.
Wing Commander…..
In the U.K. , your words could be called hate speech ….even liable for prosecution.
https://youtu.be/2rovtysbopm?si=gqazzq-lowyk3js0.
with islam being one of the fastest-growing religions in the uk, there’s more need for mosques.
so when an old church goes up for sale, it’s not exactly surprising that someone might want to turn it into a mosque.
I have. Mosque not 100 yards from where I live . It is purpose built and causes no problems to anyone.
The witness view of a Kingdom Hall is very pragmatic. It is a building, a material place to meet in . They have it , use it as long as they need to and then dispose of it… that’s all..
It is the congregation that matters, not the bricks and mortar.
NB… is there a hint of Islamaphobia on this thread.?
i have been lurking around here for years.
i'm not a witness, but my in-laws are.
my wife grew up in it but was never baptized.
Bah… I see no chance of them adopting Christmas.
Anyway , after abstaining all these years I , and I am sure many others have no wish to join the rest of them now.
