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  Evolutionary establishment tactics

  by hooberus in

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  wednesday evenings (august 24th) fox news program "the oreilly factor" featured an interview life after "intelligent design" with dr. richard sternberg, editor, of the peer-reviewed journal "proceedings of the biological society of washington.

  " dr. sternberg's home page discusses the recriminations he faced by certain members of the evolutionary establishment after publishing an arcticle by another person advocating the possibilty of intelligent design in the peer reviewed journal.

  http://www.rsternberg.net/

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  Tera said: "that scientists use the word theory in a different sense than how it is used in a court of law"
  
  I can't believe you said that. The difference is really marginal. It is misleading to imply that a theory is anywhere near a fact, even in science. I know that some scientists are saying that to try and bolster macroevolution, but that is very misleading.
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  Evolutionary establishment tactics

  by hooberus in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wednesday evenings (august 24th) fox news program "the oreilly factor" featured an interview life after "intelligent design" with dr. richard sternberg, editor, of the peer-reviewed journal "proceedings of the biological society of washington.

  " dr. sternberg's home page discusses the recriminations he faced by certain members of the evolutionary establishment after publishing an arcticle by another person advocating the possibilty of intelligent design in the peer reviewed journal.

  http://www.rsternberg.net/

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  Tetrapod, your argument doesn't hold water. You think it proper to suppress ID because the ignorant masses (boy do you have a high opinion of people) might take it seriuously? If that isn't an attempt to divert the issue, I don't know what is! Alanf, Sternberg was UNRTHICAL in publishing that article? BULL!!!! Apparently you didn't bother to read the story. Although he knew it would be contreversial, he followed the ethics all the way. The article was properly peer-reviewed, the changes suggested by by the qualified scientists who reviewed the paper were duly made by the author. None of the scientists suggested that the article should not be published. I can only conclude that you are ignorant of those facts since you took the position you did. Sternberg's critics spread slander about him. They misrepresented his credentials which include two, read that TWO doctorates in biology. They spread slander that his degrees were in religion, that he was a young-earth creationist, and that he wasn't a scientist at all. They tried to get him fired. Failing that, they made his working conditions impossible. The governmental agency which attempted to investigate the matter concluded that the actions of Sternberg's critics was highly unethical and possibly even illegal. How can you defend such behavior? Can't you see how closed-minded and dogmatic the scientific community has become when that sort of disgusting behavior is not only tolerated but incouraged? The problem is that materialists are becoming scared. No matter how much they scream otherwise, ID is making inroads in the scientific community that has the materialists freaking out. That is the dirty little secret in the scientific community today. That is why they are trying to suppress it by whatever means necessary. Forscher
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  Evolutionary establishment tactics

  by hooberus in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wednesday evenings (august 24th) fox news program "the oreilly factor" featured an interview life after "intelligent design" with dr. richard sternberg, editor, of the peer-reviewed journal "proceedings of the biological society of washington.

  " dr. sternberg's home page discusses the recriminations he faced by certain members of the evolutionary establishment after publishing an arcticle by another person advocating the possibilty of intelligent design in the peer reviewed journal.

  http://www.rsternberg.net/

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  let me see if I get this right. The evolutionists here have no problem with fellow evolutionists acting in an unethical, possibly illegeal in the defense of evolution? It's allright to destroy a man's career by SLANDERING him for allowing an article contrary ot the establishment's position to be published?
  
  What do you folks have to fear if the ID position is as foolish as you say? Nothing! If it is that rediculous as I constantly read here, than you have nothing to fear. Others would see it for what it is. But, then, it is feared because it makes a valid point. And that is why no measure is to low to be used in suppressing it. Looks the same as the WTBTS to me!!
  
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  Has the WTBTS ever sued 'someone' and won compensation?

  by Gill in

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  2. friends

  has the wtbts ever made money, in the form of compensation, in a law suit against another organization or person?.

  just wondering?

  do they sue for defamation of character or daren't they?

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  Her name was Vikki Boer. She sued them and won a judgement of $20,000 Canadian. However, that was less than thew $50,000 the WTBTS offered to settle, so, under Canadian law she could be ordered to pay the WTBTS' legal costs and they went for it and got the order for it. As far as I remember, the publicity was so bad from that one, that they announced they wouldn't try to collect on it. I do not know if they kept their word. Maybe somebody could e-mail Bowen at Silent lambs and find that out? Maybe Barbara Anderson could do that for us if she sees this?
  
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  WBTS Discontinues Publishing Deluxe (Gold Leaf) NWT Bible!?!?

  by AMNESIAN in

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  would some hearty and reliable soul who still attends meetings of jws confirm and elaborate on the letter being read to congregations in the us this week regarding the discontinuing of the publishing and distribution of the "deluxe" nwt bible in favor of a "soft cover" version of the same (whatever exactly that means) instead???.

  (g_d, have things really come to this???).

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  I noticed the comment on the other thread about the binding companies dancing in the street. As an old printer, I can tell you that the burst binding they now use isn't very good for rebinding. I've seen folks ring bind those things, but that's about all you can do with it. Forscher
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  Men are more intelligent than women.

  by PaulJ in

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  men are more intelligent than women.

  (link).

  discuss.

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  Men more intelligent?
  
  Women's brains are wired differently. That doesn't mean that they are less intelligent. It merely means that they process information a little differently. Since science is geared toward MALE thinking processes, it only makes sense that women might have a little trouble competing in an academic atmosphere geared that way. That is what the president of Harvard was getting at, not what his female collegues got so ticked-off about.
  
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  The right way to disfellowship - the wrong way to keep rapists.

  by stevenyc in

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  we know where jehovah's witnesses get the rules for disfellowshipping, matthew 18:15-18, from jesus.

  nwt:matt 18:15 "moreover, if your brother commits a sin, go lay bare his fault between you and him alone.

  if he listens to you, you have gained your brother.

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  Interesting that they seem to miss the point that the hearing before the older men was done PUBLICALLY, not in hiding! Disqusting that they use it to justify SECRET hearings before Star Chamber tribunals. Even more disqusting that they insist that the elders are fair, not prejudging anything when they know that in their secret manual to the elders they make it clear that judicial committees are to be called when it has been established to their satisfaction that the person is guilty as charged. Thus, the elders go in with minds already made up for all practical purposes.
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  the law was nailed to the torture stake

  by sunshine2 in

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  2. bible

  ....this is what the bible says.......then how is it that the wtbts lays up even more rules and regulations then they had in the mosaic law?

  does this not defeat the purpose of christ's death?

  if the law was the tutor leading to christ, now that he died for us, why all these rules?

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  They ignore that fact because the real founder of Jehovah's Witnesses (Rutherford, not Russell) was an ambitious lawyer. Lawyers love laws. So when he took over the WTBTS after Russell's death, he set about trying to make the Bible Students (who still exist to this day) subject to a long list of laws and rules. Bible Students report that upwards of half or more of their fellows saw his legalism as apostasy and refused to allow the WTBTS to be their lord and master instead of what it was from the begining, a tool used by the movement to print literature. Rutherford then formally separated the WTBTS from the Bible Student movement and named his group of followers "Jehovah's Witnesses.
  
  Because Rutherford embraced legalism fromm the begining, his intellectual heirs are still enamoured with it. Since Rutherford was obsessed with control over his flock, his heirs to the leadership of HIS flock still are just as obsessed with control. It is all they really know! So, for them, legalism and control is the answer to all their problems. The truth of what you said and the fact that Jesus condemned legalism hisself do not even show up on the radar for these folks.
  
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  DID YOU KNOW THIS about the BIBLE?

  by Terry in

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  the oldest manuscripts are not considered the most reliable.. there are no "autograph" texts.

  none.. there are no "original" manuscripts.. no two manuscripts agree.. the bible as we know it only came together in the form it now holds because certain men decided it should do so.. neither jesus nor his apostles or disciples carried bibles.. the apostle paul didn't carry a bible and none of his letters were in any of the scrolls considered holy scripture at the time he was preaching and forming christian theology as it is now understood to be.. largely, what the bible is today, is the result of certain men with certain agendas who had the authority to make their project happen.

  they also had the power to destroy writings which did not agree with their agenda.

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  Good try Satanus!
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  Elder gives service for non-JW

  by jt stumbler in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  my cousin, a non-jw died last saturday of kidney cancer.

  although not a jw, his wife also a non jw asked an elder to do his service.

  this at the request of his jw mother, who by the way is very inactive.

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  My mother was not a JW and actually hated them most of her life. When she died, my brother, not a JW, requested a Witness funeral for her (he said that she'd expressed a desire for it before she died). That one kind of floored the two of us siblings who were JW's at the time. The elders agree and one of them conducted it at the funeral home. The Circuit Overseer showed up for the funeral since he was in town. If I'd been in the congregation where I spent most of my time as a Dub, that've NEVER happened! It is one of the few nice things I experienced in 30 years as a Dub.
  
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