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  what to do...

  by troucul in

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  just got diagnosed with osteoarthritis in both hips.

  i was also told that i have two bone spurs in my right hip, and an test came back positive for rheumatoid arthritis.

  (i am told by my bro that this is physically impossible, to have both osteo and rheumatoid arthritis).

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  I add my thanks for your service as well, Troucul.
  I don't see why you can't have both at the same time. RA is an autoimmune disorder where your immunwe system turns on you. I have, and it runs in my Dad's family with a vengance. Osteoarthritis, on the other hand, is a conditon where your joints are just too worn out from too much loads and stress. Considering how much gear soldiers are being required carry anymore, It is not all that surprising that some of our soldiers are having joint problems. The suits of armor which Knights wore averaged about 70 pounds. Long experience taught medeival armorers that that was about all a human could be expected to lug around without problems. You spurs confirm to me that you were lugging around a bit too much.
  I don't know what your options in the military are now. If you are full time, rather than NG or reserve, you might want to look into benefits available to you to get an education past whatever level you have in order to have a nonmilitary career. But Again, I don't know all the details, so I am making a guess or two here.
  I hope you find what you need and that everything turns out well. Keep us posted.
  Forscher
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  RICHIE RED ALERT

  by RichieRich in

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  i was on the phone speaking with verne thoren, presiding overseer of the willow springs, nc congregation of jehovah's witnesses.

  he tells me he knows of my possesssion of the flock book.

  he knows of my involvement on this site.

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  Just when things were getting interesting with your posts, I found I myself locked out of the forum as well. A little while ago when I started reading what I'd missed, viruses started trying to pop up all over the place on my computer! Now that I've engaged my anonymity programs, things have quieted down.
  Well, Ritchie, I guess you got your wish to go out with a bang! I doubt the elders are being very honest with you about who tipped them off to your activities here. The fact that it hit the fan right after you posted the pages from that annotated elder's manual is just too indicative that the "mother" organization is behind your current crisis. One person observed that they fear you and I am inclined to agree. If the manual itself becomes a big issue, then you can bet on it.
  Knowing the way any JW parent feels when their child takes the course you've taken, I am sure that your mother is very hurt right now. Remember, Ritchie, that the organization is her world, her god, and her reality. I know, I've been there. For her to see her son take the road of "apostacy" is cutting her to the core. If she doesn't toss you out on your ears, then you have a rare dub mother.
  Now I haven't said that to make you feel bad or shake you from your chosen course. It would be a bit hypocritical of me, a fader, to be going down that road. While I was yet a Dub, I had a daughter who left both my family and the organization and took up a lifestyle of drugs and immorality, so I know how your mother is feeling right now. That she is not answering your phone calls tells me that she is thinking some things over and coming to some decisions. That she avoided the elders last night tells me that she wants to make those decisions herself, rather than let the elders dictate them to her. that she is taking so much time to do that tells me that those decisions are not easy for her and that is not inclined to do what the elders would demand. Though, in the end, she may not have much of a choice.
  She does not have to kick you out Ritchie. She can perfectly well keep you in the home until she judges you able to go out on your own. And the elders would be way off base to demand otherwise. Its just that the way she will treat you if she does will be different if you are disfellowshipped. I know this because I didn't kick my daughter out. She left because I wouldn't allow her the freedom to do some of the things she wanted, and which I didn't approve of then, or would not approve of now.
  Whatever happens from this point, Ritchie, I add my voice to those wishing you the best. However things happen, you are going to be in for some rough times. But freedom is never easy. And you have to break some eggs in order to make a fine omlet. Do what you must, friend.
  Forscher
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  Who would have the "Upper Hand" an Elder or a leader of another Religion?

  by JH in

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  lets say an elder that knows his bible very well, and a priest or any high ranking person of any other christian religion who also knows his bible very well, would get together and each with a bible in their hand.....who would come out victorious?.

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  I was introduced to the door to door work by a brother who could probably take on anybody in such a debate. The man was brilliant in his ability to think on his feet and ahead of the competition in a debate. And I don't say that just because he was my first teacher int that area.
  I remember him getting into a debate on the trinity doctrine with a prominent local clergyman who held a D.D.. I can remember him sitting there with three of his fingers marking different scriptures for rebuttal as he'd correctly anticipated the man's argument. That was one frustrated preacher! That Witness is now an elder in Florida. He taught me alot about the door to door work and I honestly enjoyed it for most of the time I was a Dub, in part, due to his early instruction.
  He was rare. And I would put my money on him in a heartbeat in that kind of a confrontation.
  Forscher
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  Something thats really started to be irritating to me!

  by mkr32208 in

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  this is something that's really started to be irritating to me here and on some other forums that i visit.

  while i've seen it in the past it seems to be getting out of hand (see the 9/11 and global warming threads) people are arguing or discussing something and all of the sudden you start seeing massive cut and paste documents!

  one person post a 1000 word essay (or more) by a claimed expert supporting their side then the other does the same.

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  It irritates me as well!
  I agree, if one wants to include massive amounts of material or think that some site has stuff people might be interested in checking-out, include a link. now that I can do the code, I try to do that if I think folks might be interested in it.
  Forscher
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  BUSTED in RUSSIA JW DESTROY FAMILYS

  by DannyHaszard in

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  photo from www.newsru.com

  jehovahs witnesses claim moscow police broke up prayer meeting ...

  mosnews, russia - 11 minutes ago .

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  Forscher

  I have to agree with Drew.
  That tactic has never worked against the Dubs. It will just reinforce in their minds that they are doing the right thing in God's eyes and cause them to harden up.
  Forscher
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  Going to church

  by poodlehead in

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  i am definatly not a jw anymore.

  but what am i. my husband wants to find a church home, but everytime he talks about it the hair on the back of my neck stands up.

  i would rather have my teeth drilled.

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  Freedman gave you some good alternatives if you do want to find a church home. The Associated Bible Students hold basically to Russell's teachings but don't blanketly insist that folks follow Russell to the letter. And they don't disfellowship for "apostacy" either. They are about the closest thing I know of to liberal in that movement. The Layman's Home Missionary Movement follow the teachings of P. Johnson, the man who tried to take over the Bible Student Movement in England when Russell died, and got shit-canned by Rutherford for his troubles. The Dawn Bible Students were a break away group from the late twenties who believe some of the stuff Rutherford taught before he really started tossing Russell's teachings by the wayside. they accept as authoritative The Finished Mystery which Rutherford had published as the "seventh volume" of The Studies in the Scriptures.
  Outside of the Bible Students, the Christadelphians, the Universalists, and the Adventists (not Seventh-Day) all hold basic beliefs that are similiar to the JWs. My point being that if you want somewhere to go, but you don't think the mainstream groups are theologically correct, there are alternative groups to check out. And I mean check out. I am sure that have no more desire than I to go back down the rabbit-hole. So check any group out carefully1
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  advise: I just got a call

  by rekless in

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  my daughter from california called me and said my grand daughter from arkansa called her and no longer wants to be a jw, that she is a pot head and has a boy friend and wants to be emancipated and to top it all off she wanted to talk to her grand paw (me).

  in her words, "i don't want to be a jehovah's witness and put up with that shit.

  i don't beleive that shit.

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  We have a problematic Grandson as well. Situation is different, his mother is not a JW and there was a few other things I'd rather not go into. If you end up getting invovled, as it looks like you will whether you want to or not, then my best advise is as follows.
  
  Back the parents authority with a few reservations. The child is 16, in most jurisdictions that means that the parents are both responsible for them and have authority over them unless they do become emancipated legally. Remind the young lady that her parents love her, support her monetarily, and have a right to her compliance with their authority for at least two more years. Tell her that they are doing what they think is right, not just going on a power trip, and she needs to give them the benefit of the doubt for now. Two years isn't all that long to wait as it seems. Tell her that if she has not already been baptised, then don't let her parents pressure her into getting baptised since that will allow her to leave the organization without penalty later on if that is her desire.
  Tell her that the most important thing right now is to concentrate on getting her education and STAY OUT OF TROUBLE! Tell her that you love her, but that the road you see her going down will lead to nothing but trouble and you don't think it best for her. She probably won't listen to you. But at least you will be giving her good advise that not even the JWs can fault. That is my opinion, you may see it differently.
  Sorry to hear about it friend.
  Froscher
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  What are you doing tonight instead of passing crackers and wine?

  by ColdRedRain in

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  for starters, tonight, i'm going to hang out at my local church's neighborhood gathering and get some food, then i'm heading off to the local synagouge to celebrate my hebrew roots.

  how 'bout you guys?

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  Forscher

  I'll probably be watching Criminal Minds.
  
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  Anyone ever been moved from one congo to another?

  by MinisterAmos in

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  i'm pretty sure it wasn't a personal thing, just that they needed more publishers to start the "new" congregation, but about a year ago i got tapped to move from one congo to another.

  i also suspect that they were planning on soliciting loans from wealthier brothers (like me) to finance the hall construction.. a little background; i had been active and happy for almost two years in a congo about 20-30 minutes to the east of my home and had set up work and appointments for myself and family to take advantage of the fact that i would be in that particular neighborhood on those days and nights.

  the usual like doctors, schools, day-care etc.

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  One town I lived in had one congregation. When enough children were baptised to bring up the number to the point that forming two congregations could be justified, I was put in the same congregation with the Alpha-elder who hated my guts (I don't think THAT was coincidental, especially since I lived in the other Congo's territory). I simply moved out of town altogether when the oportunity came my way.
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  I hate em'.

  by Lo-ru-hamah in

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  i just need to vent.

  those stinking, filthy, rotten, pieces of @#!*.

  my husband and i are not disfellowshipped yet you would think that we are.

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  Been there, done that!
  I even had my ministerial servant stepson, who came over to my house to see his mother, stand right there in my living room and act like I was not even there! My son invited him to his graduation party later, and he was so egregious in doing the same thing there, that an elder, who was visiting from another part of the country and came with his invited Daughter and Son-in-law, was offended by his conduct.
  I reckon they just love to share the love!
  Forscher