I'm so happy for you, Sunspot! That is such a heartwarming story, and I'm glad the Borg didn't win this one. Man, your next holiday is going to be awesome!!!
TooOpinionated
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An End To Shunning
by Sunspot inwell, in my case anyway.
for those of you that may recall my posts about my family and that after i left the wts, how i wrote long (and painful) letters to my nonjw children among others.
i had tried to explain why i had shunned them and how very sorry i was, and for all the mistakes i had made throughout their childhoods as a jw mother.
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Being a JW mother, I really don't understand how these women do it.
by Dragonlady76 inwhile reading through some threads, i sometimes wonder what my life would have been like if i had stayed a jw and had kids.
i now have a 23 month old son, that's very active, i can not begin to imagine what torture it would be for both of us to attend meetings or go out in field service.
i would be expected to keep him still the whole time without toys, snacks, books or any sort of distraction at all, except maybe the my book of bible stories.
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That is what always got my dander up at the hall. And amazingly, these mothers were smug and proud of themselves-spanking babies. I still would like to send a social service worker as a pretend study undercover, and see someone doing this at the hall. Busted!!!! Ah, I can dream,can't I?
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Being a JW mother, I really don't understand how these women do it.
by Dragonlady76 inwhile reading through some threads, i sometimes wonder what my life would have been like if i had stayed a jw and had kids.
i now have a 23 month old son, that's very active, i can not begin to imagine what torture it would be for both of us to attend meetings or go out in field service.
i would be expected to keep him still the whole time without toys, snacks, books or any sort of distraction at all, except maybe the my book of bible stories.
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TooOpinionated
You spank an 18 month old?
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Could we be right, and they be right too?
by JH inis it possible that just about everything we say about the jw's on this forum is true, but on the other hand they would be the only true religion that god approves, even though they are imperfect and make errors?
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All religions teach people to be good-the Witnesses don't have a monopoly on that, contrary to what they tell you. If you turned out well, thank you parents. I've known some doosey Witness parents that have really messed up their kids.
I used to sit in the hall and cringe when other religions were slammed, because it was so biased. My best memories are of a child at our church, with youth group, retreats, choir, etc. And never were people treated in the heinous way that the Witnesses treat people. It's live and let live in "worldly" churches, someone the WTBS could learn alot from.
My BIL is one that will say if he hadn't found the "Truth", he would have ended up badly. I used to try to point out that the religion didn't do it-he did it all himself. Eventually I gave up, because he couldn't see the difference.
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how do JWs justify having children "in the last days?"
by kid-A inin the years leading up to 1975, there was an implicit (if not explicit) discouragement of having children given the proximity of armageddon.
for the most part, this seemed to have been ignored.
my jw grandma now has great-great grandchildren.
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In our congregation, there is the general attitude of marry the kids off young (right out of high school) and have babies right away. There is one particular "dynasty" (long line of elders) that really push this. Their family is baby-crazy. So the camps are very divided-the young ones popping kids out, and the old die-hards that never had children, and whisper that "they are not doing what we are supposed to be doing".
The whole marry them young thing always bothered me, and the arrogance they had to the single sisters, in particular. I used to complain bitterly about this to a certain Bethal couple (anyone know David and Janet Lay?) They said it was just our particular congregation, but from reading this board I'm not so sure. Sounds like it was the same all over.
All the young ones are eager to start their families, and I've heard countless parents say that they are ready to be grandparents-effectively pushing these kids to have kids. So I don't think the society is actively pushing this agenda. It seems to come from the ones that have been in for 40 or more years. JMO
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how do JWs justify having children "in the last days?"
by kid-A inin the years leading up to 1975, there was an implicit (if not explicit) discouragement of having children given the proximity of armageddon.
for the most part, this seemed to have been ignored.
my jw grandma now has great-great grandchildren.
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TooOpinionated
We were being good dubs and not having children. After several years of travel, etc.we felt something was still missing from our lives and I realized that I really WANTED children and they could all go hang. I decided this when I was 37-had my first at 38, second at almost 40, and third at 41. Everyone assumed our third was an accident, too, but we just let them think it. I probably would have had more children if I was younger. As it was, there was alot of tsk tsking, even with the first. I swear, alot of those women are just bitter.
We really have an appreciation for our kids since we came so close to not having any thanks to the stupid Witnesses. In our congregation there was a group of childless families that formed a clique, and it included some elders and some whose wives always had the "disease of the week", since they were always ill due to things doctors could never find. All I ever heard was that they were waiting to have kids in the new system. Anyway, these people have no way of understanding child development, how your life changes with a child, etc. They certainly don't understand the emotional change that takes place, either. At the last bookstudy I attended I was there alone with 3 kids, the youngest had just started walking. It was tough keeping everyone in their seats occupied. My youngest started making sounds playing, and this elderette shushed her! She wasn't crying or screaming, just babbling. I got mad and told her she was too young for that, and not to do that to my kids. It was a supreme effort to even be there (which wasn't appreciated) with everyone knowing how I felt about them (due to the child molestation issues in our kingdom hall and my outspokeness).
Afterward the bookstudy conductor tried telling me how he and his wife had had 3 kids and would pass the kids back and forth to each other, and perhaps I could do the same. I just glared at him, and he became nervous. Finally I said-"How many of me do you see?" There is just one of me-how in the world am I to pass kids back and forth with myself? How does anything you are saying make sense?" He gave his nervous little laugh, but still kept on in that vain. Finally I said-"It is never good enough for you people". Back then I new something was wrong in the organization (but thought it was me) but I still expected common sense. All I felt was a supreme sense of injustice.
My kids were the prime reason to leave the Witnesses, because I didn't want them to be shut out of having a full life.
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Breaking News: Berry girls lose high court appeal
by loveis inwith those two short, sweet, words of the nh supreme court, the berry girls 4-year fight to hold the wts responsible has come to an abrupt and bitter end.. a preliminary scan of the opinion indicates a virtual slam-dunk victory for the wts, although there was one dissenting justice out of the four on one issue only, the only female justice of the four.
(coincidence?
hmmm......).
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TooOpinionated
I am so disappointed, and angry, too. Those girls have been through so much, to have it end like this. How much longer before the WTBS is held accountable?
I would say the dubs will be smug about this, but the ones around here have never even heard of the case, I'm sure.
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A Dream Come True!
by HadEnuf inmy husband was on the phone with the elder who was the po at the time of the great "wedding fiasco".
let's just say my husband initiated the conversation (i can't go into details) and just before he hung up i said something i've been wanting to say for almost 6 years!
i yelled at the top of my lungs: (now mind you; i was only about a foot from the phone) f**k you!!!
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Way to go, Cathy! I can imagine how that must have been building inside you all these years. Of course, the word will get around now that you are a "crazed apostate-". However, that just means you are in great company-US!
Big Hugs,
Teresa
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flag ?
by carla inhow would the jw's react to see a flag in my front yard?
knowing that his other half is not in the 'truth', would they even care?
carla
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Hehehe-I'd put a flags everywhere, even in flowerpots.
And as for Christmas, I'd do over-the-top decorating, then have your local newspaper reporter for the lifestyles section or whatever your paper calls it come and visit to show off your displays. Could you get away with it indoors?
(Now you know my plan for Christmas-LOL! I want to keep the local jw's apprised of our doings,and give them fodder for their cargroups at the same time. They can talk about how far my husband and I have fallen. Oh, evil me.)
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Everyone wish Whyamihere (Brooke) a big happy birthday
by Dustin intommorow is my good friend brooke (whyamihere's) birthday.
everyone wish her the best as i am taking her out along with my wife to make her drink and party.
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TooOpinionated
Happy Birthday, Brooke! I hope you have a wonderful time with Dustin and his wife.
Teresa